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Sarah Waldbuesser Website: destinationlegal.com

IG: @destinationlegal

Leah Gervais: Hey visionaries. Welcome back to the Your Biggest Vision show. I’m your host, Leah. And today we continue with the series that I have created around motherhood, online business ownership, female entrepreneurship, and pregnancy, and all that kind of comes between, uh, the intersection of it. I think that there is a good amount out there about working moms, but I thought it would be really exciting to focus in specifically on both the luxuries and benefits as well as some of the pressures that come with online business ownership specifically. So today we are very lucky to have Sarah here with us. Hi Sarah. 

Sarah Waldbuesser: Hi Leah. Thanks for having me. 

Leah Gervais: Thank you so much for being here. Would you give me a sentence or two recap about your business to start? 

Sarah Waldbuesser: Sure. So I am Sarah Waldbuesser. I’m the owner of destination legal. I’m an attorney for coaches and online business owners, and basically we help, uh, protect your passion. So that’s kind of our trademark, it’s my passion to help you protect your passion. And that’s legally protecting your business through terms and contracts, policies, and trademarks. And we do that over at destinationlegal.com, where we have a legal shop full of tons of contracts to use in your business. And then we also offer trademark services and you know, all about it because you have been a great client and protecting your business. And I know that’s really important to you.

Leah Gervais: I am. And I do, and this is not an episode all about business, but I do have to Claus and just vouch for the work that you do for those listeners. For those of you listening, if you’re in scale, your side hustle, or if you’re considering joining it, uh, we actually work with Sarah to give you her contracts, templates of the contracts that she has created. So you get that right off the bat. We use Sarah for our contracts. She’s helped us trademark things. So, um, definitely go check her out for sure. And your mother.

Sarah Waldbuesser: I am. Congratulations.

Leah Gervais: Tell us a little bit about your children.

Sarah Waldbuesser: Yeah, so I have a two and a half year old toddler. His name is Oliver and he is, um, toddler all the way. Like, you know this, you don’t really know what it means until you have like a two-year-old that is just like crying and laughing at all the same time. And yesterday he came home after school and was like, everything was no, no, no, you don’t want to eat. You don’t want to sleep. You don’t want to play you just no, no, no. They have such big feelings so that we’re in a new chapter there. Um, and then I have Henry who is four months old, so we’re definitely in the middle of it all for sure.

Leah Gervais: Wow. Totally. I love both those names. I’ve been thinking a lot about boys’ names.

Sarah Waldbuesser: Thank you. I’m sure. Boys names are hard!

Leah Gervais: They are hard. They are hard. I was so excited when I found out we were having a boy. I don’t know if you have followed me on social media, but I really in my gut from like right away that it was a boy, but the biggest struggle I’ve had is the boy names. There’s there’s a lot more girl names. I like, I know-

Sarah Waldbuesser: I feel the same and you know what? We love the name Oliver. So when we found out, honestly with number two, I thought it was going to be a girl. Like I was just like, always like, I’m going to have a boy and a girl. I’m going to have two kids and that’s going to be great. So when it was a boy at first, I was pretty shocked. Um, and then I was like, oh my gosh, we think Oliver’s the best name in the world. So like, what’s another amazing name. And it really took us a long time. Uh, sure, sure. So something you should do, this is what we did and it worked really well. So I don’t know if you and your husband agree on names. My husband and I did not. So something we did was we each picked our 10 best names.

We did this with both kids, our 10 best names. And then we went out to lunch. We had like a lunch date and we compared our lists and, you know, ironically we had three or four overlaps for both and decided on one. And then we basically tried that name out. We wrote it on a big piece of paper and the full name, like what the middle name would be to and put it up in our bedroom just so we could see it. And you know, we kind of tested it out. And so we really liked doing that. So I suggest that.

Leah Gervais: I like that. I kind of like using it, you know, in your day-to-day life for a little while. I’m like calling him and my tummy a name.

Sarah Waldbuesser: No, we didn’t do that. I never did that. I, we never told anyone, like we definitely never called him that or anything. It was more, it was much more external.

Leah Gervais: Right, right. That’s good advice. We have a nephew named Henry, so I won’t be using it.

Sarah Waldbuesser: You never know when they come out, if that’s going to suit them. So you really can’t commit these people that commit months in advance. I’m like, how do you do-

Leah Gervais: You know, I do think that, cause we, we got our puppy Ruby. And then when, when we picked her up, we had three names and we said, when we see her and I think that that’s what we’ll do is have three names in mind and then we’ll kind of, yes. But anyway, I can talk to you about that forever. 

Sarah Waldbuesser: Yeah. 

Leah Gervais: So, um, thank you. You know, thank you for having this conversation with me. I, I want to just hear so much about, um, what it looks like to, to play, to play both roles. So let’s start a little bit from when you, when you started your own business. Cause I know you’re an attorney by trade and I know you worked at a law firm and just a little fun throwback even I met in a mastermind years ago and I remember being so impressed with you and I think you had like a $20,000 a month and you were pregnant. And it was like, if I could only be like that one day, that is what I strive to, to be like, so thank you for,

Sarah Waldbuesser: Oh, you’re so welcome. And here you are. You’ve done it.

Leah Gervais: Thank you. Um, so when did you start your own business and when along the timeline did pregnancy come into the picture?

Sarah Waldbuesser: Yeah, so I, you know, I am a bit older, so I, everything has happened on a pretty expedited timeline within the past, basically five, five and a half years. I’ve started to build my business, met my husband, got engaged and married and had two kids. Right. Like it all has happened pretty quickly. Um, so I started my business back in 2015ish, so, about six years ago now. And I really started it because I knew someday I wanted to have kids and wanted the flexibility to raise them, be with them, how I wanted to, I wanted the freedom and flexibility to travel. 

So it was really those two things like the flexibility to travel and then to be with my kids as much, or as little as I wanted to be. Um, and you know, as I met my husband, um, within the first year, I guess, of, of starting Destination Legal, you know, I had done, I had, you know, like many of us had some other little side businesses before this one and had done some consulting and things like that. Um, I wasn’t sure because I didn’t like being in a law firm, so I didn’t know that I wanted to really do law in my business. And so it really took some time to really find my space there. Um, but once I did it kind of grew from there. And so, um, you know, by the time I was pregnant, um, in 2018, you know, my business was pretty established at that point. 

Leah Gervais: Okay. So you were for simplification purposes trying to get pregnant. You were ready for that phase in your life.

Sarah Waldbuesser: Oh yeah. So we got, we, you know, I, we got married when I was 38, so we, we didn’t waste time. We basically were, we got, we were very lucky and we were pregnant like the month after we got married. So yeah. So it wasn’t necessarily, he’s not a honeymoon baby, but he’s very close to that. Um, and you know, given my age, we just knew that we didn’t have time to waste. So, um, I probably, I think we both would’ve, we both would’ve wished we had met younger so that we had more time just us. Um, because you will soon know that like once the kiddos are here, things are different. And so I think we would have liked a little bit more just us married time. But you know, we had dated for a couple of years before and all of that.

Leah Gervais: So was there anything in you mean, it sounds like, you know, you knew you were ready for this phase in your life. You knew that you had to keep biology in mind, but was there anything in you that felt a little bit nervous about what it would do to your business?

Sarah Waldbuesser: Yeah, for sure. Um, also because of my age, I am a very independent person that loves their time. You know, I was single for a long time. Um, I am an introvert, I like my own space and time. I knew that there would be big demands on that. So a hundred percent I was nervous. Um, but also knew that it was what I wanted to do.

Leah Gervais: Yeah. Yeah. And I think, I mean, I guess the reason I ask that question is because I think that there’s a point to be made around there never being a perfect time and your business never being at the place where kids will just make sense then, you know, because I do think that, um, there is the consideration of like, can I financially hang like, is my business going to be able to support me and my family? And that’s a good question to ask, but on the flip side that I, as I can attest to, the bigger your business gets and the more it grows, the more you have on your plate. 

And that brings a different complexity when you have, when, when you’re thinking about maternity leave and children, for sure. I’d love to hear a little bit about your pregnancies. If you’re willing to share it, you don’t have to, if you don’t think that it’s, that, you know, if it wasn’t a huge piece for you, but, um, my first trimester rocked my world.

I did not know what was coming to me. I did not know I was going to be so taken out of the game. It, you know, uh, you know, that, um, early on in my business, I lost my dad and how hard that was and how much that was just emotionally devastating for me. Um, and other than that, and even with that, I never in all my years of entrepreneurship have felt so just incapable or so off or just so like I was failing, honestly, that’s how I felt. And I’m not saying that for sympathy, you know, my hormones were all over the place. I wasn’t thinking great, but just the complete suck of my energy. Um, and just sort of like also the, the shock, the huge excitement that the kind of shock. And, and I was in Miami where I was kind of lonely and, um, I wasn’t vaccinated at the time. So I was pretty nervous to go out in public. 

I was just kind of in a bubble, there was just a lot of different things that made it kind of very isolating and very challenging time for me. And I really wish I would’ve had any resources out there. And I think that one of the reasons I didn’t actually reach out to anyone or kind of even share how much I actually was struggling looking back was because I felt guilty because I knew that I was so blessed to be pregnant. And I also, you know, we, we didn’t, we got pregnant without, we got very lucky also. So I felt guilty that I was experiencing that. And so I don’t know if you had that experience, but I want to kind of normalize that. It’s not always easy to watch your body change so quickly.

Sarah Waldbuesser: Yeah, it is crazy. You know, I remember about three or four weeks, um, like really early, maybe, maybe I was four or five weeks pregnant with my first. And we had these plans to go to a Cinco de Mayo thing with my husband’s best friends. And I just was like, started bawling because I was like, I don’t want to go. I’m so tired. Please just go without me. It’s not going to be any fun, just leave me. It’s a hard time because nobody knows you’re pregnant yet. And you know, I know you’re not into this anymore, but like I enjoy a cocktail. And so for, if anyone knows me and they see me not drinking, that’s like an automatic thing. So for a while, my husband would like, we would share and I would pretend to take a sip and give it to him.

Sarah Waldbuesser: Or, you know, we made up these things. Like I was really tired and on new medicines. So like my mother-in-law wouldn’t get suspicious. It’s just like a weird timing thing. Um, but yes, I was super tired. And interestingly, like within the same timeframe I got diagnosed with hypothyroidism. I thought I had mano, but I was really, it was this combination of being pregnant and having this undiagnosed thing. Um, so I was trying to get my thyroid around everything as well. I am not one of those people that likes being pregnant. I know there are plenty of women that love it. It’s a favorite time of their life. Like all of that. I am not one of those people. Um, I didn’t like it. I had horrible heartburn now, I have to say I was lucky in terms of the symptoms.

Sarah Waldbuesser: I never once threw up. I didn’t really have morning sickness. My only symptom really was like, if I didn’t eat enough or eat, first thing, I would get nauseous. Like typically now I have coffee and maybe work out. And then I have breakfast when I’m pregnant, I need breakfast right away. Um, and I had heartburn with both pregnancies and very tired and pinging all the time, but not, not some of the extreme nausea or throwing up or all of that. Um, but for me, it’s more, you know, just, I miss having a glass of wine and I miss the energy and I miss sleep. So, you know, as you’ll see, as you get bigger and he’s on your bladder, like, I, by the end, I was waking up maybe every hour and a half to have to go to the bathroom. And it’s like this time where you’re supposed to be soaking up the sleep before the baby comes, you can’t.

Sarah Waldbuesser: So, um, you know, and I actually enjoyed seeing my body change and I love maternity clothes and like being able to be cozy and, um, you know, shop for maternity stuff. Like I actually really enjoy that piece of it. Um, so, you know, it has its pluses and minuses, and once you are really showing everyone is so nice to you and holding doors and getting up from chairs. And, you know, my husband who was always attentive is like extra, extra attentive during pregnancy. And so I love some of those perks that we get for giving over our bodies.

Leah Gervais: Sure, sure. Yeah. I, um, feel like I’ve experienced both extremes of it. I had a really rough first four to eight weeks and I did throw up and all the things, but I have, I have since loved it. Once I got over that hump, I have found the excitement in it. So I’m guessing that I’m going to be experiencing both ends of it, but, um, you know, the biggest thing is the energy for me. And I think that that’s why the first trimester was so hard. I have a lot of energy now. I feel really good now I still have to map here and there, but it like works. If I nap, I feel recharged. Whereas in the first trimester, I just consistently felt awful pretty much. Um, and so how did you start preparing for maternity leave?

Sarah Waldbuesser: So in terms of business, yeah. Yeah. So, um, it, I, it was very different both times. First time around my business was still pretty small. It was just me, maybe I had a VA, um, and my husband was still in his business. And so we knew we had that income. Whereas the second time around he’s in the business with me, DL is our sole provider and we have a bigger team. And so, you know, the first time around, I didn’t, I basically knew I wanted to take, um, I wanted to have up to three months off and I, I knew I needed to kind of keep things going on the trademark side of things. Cause I didn’t have anyone to do that side. Now I have a paralegal that I work with. Um, and so it was a bit stressful. Like I will be honest, it was stressful.

Sarah Waldbuesser: I think, um, I wish I had started just putting aside chunks of money pretty early for almost like a maternity leave fund. I know a lot of women do that. I batched some contents so that some stuff would keep coming out, but again, I kind of just let things coast for the first six weeks or so six or seven weeks. And then I felt like I needed to start to get back into the business. Um, this was the first time around, just little by little, but it was, it was pretty stress-free because I knew my husband was, he was still working in real estate. There wasn’t, you know, much concern there. Um, I really wanted to soak it in. And so I was basically, you know, home with the baby. It was winter and I was just hanging out. Um, and I started to do a little bit of work during nap time and things like that.

He was a great sleeper. So it was, it was pretty, um, I’m not going to say easy by any means, but it seemed like an okay balance between the two, without a ton of planning. Now with second time around, I did a lot more planning. So I was batching content. And by this time I had a social media manager. I had an OBM. I had the trademark paralegal, so there was more of the team to help support and plan. And so we actually planned ahead that like the first month, at least I was nowhere to be found. Like I was not on social media, you couldn’t get ahold of me. Like if there was an emergency, you had to go through my husband, Chris. And that actually worked really well. But then after about six weeks, um, I started to, it was causing me more stress to actually not be in the business because I wanted to know what was going on.

Sarah Waldbuesser: So I think I came back maybe a smidge too early. Um, but it’s just at the time I felt it’s what I needed to do even to, and it was really part time. It’s not like one day I just started working 40 hours. I’m still not doing that. I came back a few hours a week and then we went on this big road trip. So it was really eight weeks before I kind of came back. Um, but Henry our second is not as good of a sleeper it’s way, difficult to get anything done. Um, he likes to be held all the time, way more than Oliver did. And so we’re having to kind of navigate that and, you know, um, I think in terms of prepping, the best advice is to just again, like, make sure you have a couple months financially to flow, which is really important.

Um, and just get the support both in your business and outside of business so that you can have the, the security that your business is being taken care of so that you can get through those first six weeks where you just like, will not know up from down. And like the day will be gone before you even realize, like, what did I even do today? And so not having to worry. Um, and I know for us business owners, like, it really depends. Some women are ready to just kind of start to creep back in after a couple of weeks and some women need months and months. So you really, you can play on your best, but you know how you’re going to feel until you’re going through it.

Leah Gervais: Right. Right. I think that I, the advice I’ve been given is to like, over plan, like assume that I want three months off and be able to do that, but kind of like, you know, give myself a space if I want to come back earlier here and there kind of like you’re saying, I think I could see myself feeling like an itch, you know, six or eight weeks, even just a little bit to kind of, to kind of dip my toes back in, but I really have no idea what it’s, what it’s going to be like. So, um, nowadays, I mean, it sounds like you and your husband kind of co-own your business, but would you, do you, do you feel like, it sounds like you carry quite a bit of financial responsibility in your family?

Sarah Waldbuesser: Yeah, for sure. And as much as you know, he, he is supportive, he does a lot of our, you know, sales and marketing stuff and some analytics, but it’s still on me. I’m the face of it. I’m still doing the legal side of a lot of the content, a lot of the, you know, interviews like timewise for sure. It’s more important for me to spend more time. So, you know, up until now, he takes Henry mostly during the day. Um, but we are looking for a nanny and, you know, you don’t know this, but there happens to be a nanny shortage right now, which is the strangest thing. Um, and we’ve like for over, for almost a month or six weeks have been looking for a nanny and it has been very difficult because we just need more time. Like we both need more time, um, in the business and then personally, too.

Leah Gervais: Sure, sure. I can imagine that. Um, so did you, Hmm. I guess how do I want to ask that? What advice would you give to someone who’s listening who is either the breadwinner of their relationship or just who’s who’s family for all intents and purposes can’t really function without their finances. What advice would you give them from a mindset perspective? Like how to kind of see that as a plus, or how to kind of not let that pressure get to you. Um, but then also from a strategy standpoint, I mean, one thing it says, it sounds like you recommend just like put money aside, have a savings. Yeah. Have something ready to go for that time.

Sarah Waldbuesser: Yeah, for sure. Have, if you can have some buffer there, because the last thing you want is a new mom is to feel like not only are you trying to, you know, nurse and breastfeed and take care of the other child and the house and you know, the business and be the breadwinner, right? Like as a woman, that’s a lot to handle, it’s a lot of stress. And so, you know, this time around where DL is more financially responsible, it has been more stressful. It just has. And so, you know, the biggest advice is to offload as much as you can, you know, if, you know, get as much help as you can from your partner, but then bring in help to at one point I just had to be like, we need to have laundry sent out. 

Like I cannot do it. I cannot fold it. I cannot put it away. He’s not great at doing it. Like if he would try, it would take three weeks. And so I’m like, we’re just going to get it sent out. So now he takes it and drops it somewhere and picks it up the next day. And that’s great, you know, um, letting go of some of the house stuff, like it’s not always going to be put together and just like making sure that you take time for yourself, because if you, if you’re always giving to either your business or your child or your husband or partner, you’re, you are quickly gonna get burnt out and no one is going to be happy with that situation. Right. So you got to keep mama happy. And so you have to, you have to ask for what you need. I have so many friends that are moms and are on the burnout train and they never take time for themselves.

Sarah Waldbuesser: No one is going to give it to you. No, one’s going to be like, go spend the afternoon at the spa, go get a manicure, go take a bubble bath, go sleep in. You have to ask for it. And so I make sure to do that. I’ve I need a bubble bath. If I need the afternoon off, there have been times where, especially at the beginning where I had to be like, Chris, here is the baby. Like I need to just be in the room by myself for some time. Um, and so as much as you can alleviate any of the financial stress on you or your business, knowing that you have some monthly recurring revenue, knowing that you can project some sales, get some of that stuff set up so that, you know, even on these months of maternity leaves, I have this much coming in and sales, I have this much in the bank. So even if I don’t make any money for these couple of months, we’re still going to be fine.

Leah Gervais: Right. Right. What does, what does time for you look like what have you found to be the most effective?

Sarah Waldbuesser: In terms of working?

Leah Gervais: No, like in terms of self-care. 

Sarah Waldbuesser: Getting up early and having just a few minutes before the baby wakes up and I have to feed him because if I it’s so tempting to want to sleep until they sleep, but then you automatically, the first thing you’re doing is giving yourself. Right. And so sometimes when it happens, like the baby will, like, I’ll have to take them before I even have time to pee or brush my teeth. Right. So like trying to, you know the first month, it’s just, all bets are off. All bets are off because they’re up feeding every two or three hours. All like, all you can do then is sleep and eat. And like, if you need to camp out on the couch all day, like that’s what you need to do. But once they’re six or eight weeks, it’s more routine. You can kind of get an idea of when they’re getting up.

So I know Henry usually gets up around 6:30. So if I’m up by six and have just a half an hour to journal, to have some coffee and read like so much, it makes such a difference. And so that works really well. And then getting out and getting some exercise, taking him for a walk. Right. So just get a good stroller and just be prepared to, to, to do that a lot, because it’s a great way to get exercise, to listen to some podcasts. So it’s like a mix of your time, but you’re also, the baby usually will fall asleep. And so they’re taking care of too. Um, and then just like, again, it’s different for different women, but within a couple of weeks, a month, like plan a dinner out with a girlfriend, like plan a spa day, like, you know, depending on if you’re nursing or not, like, you know, you have to, you can only go out in chunks of time of like two hours.

Sarah Waldbuesser:  Right. Um, so it really depends on your schedule, but planning a pedicure, planning just to go take a bubble bath, don’t bother me. Um, the thing that also is something that was really important to me was that Chris was able to feed and that it wasn’t totally my responsibility. So we start with both boys pretty early, like me pumping some milk so that Chris could give them to them in a bottle. Um, and you know, now we do kind of a mix of that, plus some supplement with formula and just like, you know, as much as you need support, like having the husband or a partner be able to take just like one night feed so that you can sleep for five hours straight is, is really important for me. I need sleep. If I don’t have sleep, I’m not functioning. So to be able to work in the business, take care of the kids and everything I have to give up some of those things. Sure.

Leah Gervais: Yeah. I have thought about all of that. That is the first thing that comes to my mind when people ask me if I’m breastfeeding, it’s like, my priority is I need to not be the only one who is able to feed this baby because that won’t work. That just won’t work for our family at all. And won’t work for our lifestyle and the needs that we have. Um, I don’t know what that’ll look like. I don’t know if it’ll look like formula or pumping or a mix of them. I’m trying not to get too attached to a certain way of doing it because the truth is, I don’t know what it’s going to be like.

I also, you know, I’ve heard of moms who have the intention of breastfeeding and it ends up causing them a lot of stress and anxiety because it’s hard or it hurts. And, and then if they aren’t able to, they sort of end up like mourning that or guilty about that. And I’m not, I can’t imagine what that feels like, but I’m trying to avoid that potential. So I’m trying to detach from my expectations, but that is something I consistently thought about. It’s like, I, it cannot be only me. It’s so hard.

Sarah Waldbuesser: I will say it’s so hard. I will say. Um, if it weren’t for breastfeeding, like it would be an easier experience for me personally. It was important that I do it, that I try, but it is something that makes everything so much harder because again, it’s, it’s your freedom, right? It’s your freedom, it’s your body. It changes how you think about your day, because you have to either feed them every three hours or pump every three hours or whatever. And then there’s, there are so many issues around it. And, um, you know, it’s such a, it’s such a personal thing, but then there are these societal pressures that we feel. And like, for me, that has been one of the biggest challenges overall of motherhood. 

Leah Gervais: Was just breastfeeding and all that comes with it. I can imagine, oh, well this is so enlightening and helpful. And, um, I feel like I’m on a good track. I do. You’ve given me confidence. I feel like our maternity leave plan is going well. I’m sure there’s a million things. I am going to let fall through the cracks. But, um, I’m lucky that this baby is due, um, in early December because part of my maternity leave will be over the holidays in which most people are checked out anyway. So it’s not like, you know, we’re in the thick of a time of year where everything is go, go, go. And, um, and I can’t do that. And I do want to walk him a lot, but it will be cold, but I live near central park. So at least-

Sarah Waldbuesser: Yeah, well, so Oliver was a December baby and, um, January was like, this was the 2019 polar vortex. So like for the first month with him, we couldn’t even go outside. Um, but that was fine too, because then it’s like, you’re just snuggling and you know, it’s too cold to do much. And, um, yeah, and having, having that little guy over the holidays was really sweet too, I remember.

Leah Gervais: I am very excited about that. Right. When I found out I was pregnant, I realized it was going to be like a Christmas miracle. And it’s probably once a week, it’s August probably once a week. I listen to Christmas music. 

Sarah Waldbuesser: Yeah. Yeah. So what we did was we put up all of our holiday decorations super early, because I knew that I wasn’t going to be 38 weeks pregnant, like trying to put some things around the house. Um, so then, and those last couple of weeks, like, you know, it’s Thanksgiving and you’re able to just like enjoy things. So it’s super special.

Leah Gervais: Thank you. I’m excited. Well, thank you for sharing all of this with us. Thanks for sharing your tips, your journey, and what you, you know, what you did, right. What you maybe wish you would have done differently. I think it’s really helpful to hear so transparently and to just pull so much advice from online business owners. We do have so many options. We, we have, we have teams, we have automations, we have batching there and, and monthly recurring revenue. I mean, you know, that’s definitely a hugely important thing. Um, and if you have time to save them, then I think that that’s a good tip as well. So thank you so much.

Sarah Waldbuesser: You are so welcome.

Leah Gervais: You have any, if you could go back and tell yourself before baby number one, one thing, what would it be?

Sarah Waldbuesser: That is hard? Um, I would tell myself just to slow down and enjoy the snuggles. I feel like I was, I am more able to do that with baby number two, because with baby number one, I was, so everything is new and you’re not sure, and you’re worried and all of that stuff. So I feel like I didn’t enjoy enough of the snuggles. And now my first, like we’ll not snuggle you for anything. Yeah. So just make sure, just make sure to enjoy the snuggles and don’t buy any clothes because you will get clothes from everybody that you know,

Leah Gervais: That’s good advice. Well, thank you so much, Sarah. I so appreciate it. And I appreciate everything, you know, all your support during this time. You are so welcome. All right. Have a good one. Thank you so much, visionaries. We’ll talk to you soon.

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