Leah Gervais: Hey visionaries. Welcome back to the Your Biggest Vision show. I’m your host, Leah Gervais. And today our guest is Tim Gill. He is the co-founder of BoothCentral, and I’m really excited to hear from him and hear about his journey to founding this, this, this company, this event, planning and event aiding company, um, and we are lucky, but we are hearing from him. I had an interesting time, uh, where we can kind of hear a really great case study and example of how his business has pivoted, um, and some tips he has on planning, virtual events. I know many of you do retreats and in person events and workshops. And, um, I know that in my company, we definitely had an interesting time navigating that all virtually. So, um, lots of exciting stuff to hear from you, Tim. So thanks for being here.

Tim Gill: Yeah, thanks for having me Leah. Happy to be here.

Leah Gervais: Awesome. Thanks. So why don’t we, um, rewind back a little bit. Why don’t you, I’d love to hear kind of, you know, maybe in high school or college, what did you think you wanted to be when you grew up? I always am interested to know if you thought you’d be an entrepreneur.

Tim Gill: Yeah, that’s, that’s a good question. So actually I, from an early age, I have a lot of memories of wanting to, to be involved in business and do things, um, even just kind of working for myself. And I remember just, even as a kid making flyers to go and do a snow shoveling in the neighborhood and, and kind of getting customers that way and, um, you know, just ideas of, of what you could, what I could do with a certain thing, like an opportunity to, to make, to, to, to make value and make money and to make, um, to kind of help others too. So it definitely goes back to the early roots of, you know, wanting to do my-  run my own business and actually a lot of times really just wanted to run multiple businesses was kind of a theme is going to happen throughout and that’s sort of come to life a little bit.

Leah Gervais: Awesome. So did you, um, did you dive right into it when you could start working or did you work somewhere first?

Tim Gill: Um, I did, even in college was eager to get out of it. What, you know, what I was thinking at the time was I want to get into the real world and do real things. Um, but so from an early, early stage, yeah. Um, I started, I technically, yeah, I started my first business running events at, uh, 23 and basically, um, running a local event in the Milwaukee area, um, like a local shopping event and that’s kind of where I started to just, you know, jump in and you start to learn all the different aspects of running a business and, um, everything that comes with that you can just kinda like add to your, your tool chest as you go.

Leah Gervais: Totally. What about events interested you? I mean, of all the things that you kind of could focus on, how did that come to be?

Tim Gill: Yeah, I was working for, um, a family business at the time, you know, doing, um, events as well. And so that was kind of a segue into the events world. Uh, my wife was also a wedding planner at the time and, uh, so definitely loved the event side of it, but the energy of it, the, the, like everybody coming together and doing something big for a moment and all that goes into the setup and then, then it goes away. And so I enjoy the, just the, I would say the energy of it and the, the kind of the in the moment action and the things that need to get done right now, you know?

Leah Gervais: Yeah. I can imagine I’ve worked on maybe a few smaller or not really somewhat big events in my life, but I do remember having, I still have a little PTSD from wedding planning. It’s no joke. But, very exciting.

Tim Gill: I was, yeah. I definitely, I worked with my wife more on just handling the business side of things at the time, but I loved just kind of jumping in as an assistant on a wedding day to help out with whatever they needed me to do. And, and there’s a lot of fun memories from that.

Leah Gervais: Yeah. Yeah. That’s awesome. So as you started kind of getting your hands deep into this world, did you start to notice parts of either event planning specifically or owning your own business growing your own business? Um, or maybe both that you kind of particularly were naturally good at? You know, I think when you’re an entrepreneur, you have to be all the things at first anyway, before you can really start growing a team. And, um, when I look back at my journey, I think it would have helped me if I had a bit more self awareness to where my natural strengths were and weren’t, and I think if, if we don’t know where our natural strengths are, sometimes the things we’re not good at, we can take really personally and think that we’re not good enough. And usually none of that’s true. So I’d love to hear, you know, what did you start feeling like you were really good at and how was that experience?

Tim Gill: Yeah, that’s a good question. Cause I do think, I know for me, I think I had a lot of shame actually around some of the things that I was good at for a while. And so I’d kind of pushed that away and kind of told myself like, Oh, I need to be good at these things. Cause this is what is responsible or this is what is, is a good business person or just in person in general. And, and I think that can really lead you down a path where you’re denying like yeah, what your natural gifts are sometimes. And so it was kind of the experience that I had with that. Um, and then, but at the same time, when you start to over overdo those strengths, those can also be hindrances as well. But, um, I think for me, one of the, one of the natural strengths I have is just like seeing kind of opportunities.

And so, especially like looking at business opportunities, um, everything sparked an idea for me and I’d be writing them down and keeping them in. It’s like I have all these opportunities or all these things that I could do or all, all these cool things that could be. But, at some point it needed to stop and say, all right, well, which opportunity am I going to pursue? And what am I going to do here and, and, and kind of see it through. Um, and so that’s even in Trump, like it’s still, it’s like a constant, it’s a constant struggle to like, keep that in line, um, to know that, yeah, there’s a million ideas out there, but I need to narrow my focus. Um, and as a leader with our team too, that’s been, I felt like that’s important to make sure that just because I enjoy opening up and seeing all these opportunities, other people might need that focus. And so, um, to try to keep that, to keep that kind of tension between the two,

Leah Gervais: Well, what an amazing natural strength to have. I mean, I work with entrepreneurs who are quite far in business, you know, multiple six figures on their own and all the way from beginning to that point. And I would say that probably the number one trait that will move you along and kind of ensure your success is if you can see opportunities where other people see obstacles. Um, and if you can kind of train your brain to just think that way, uh, so what an amazing thing to be naturally good at, would you say that you’ve gotten better at dealing with obstacles over the years? Or, I mean, I guess maybe if you want to talk about you and your cofounder, what do you guys do when things go wrong?

Tim Gill: Yeah. Um, I like to come back to like, why are we doing this? You know, and, and thinking through, um, not getting too caught up in the weeds of just being like, okay, here’s this problem, but like really step back and like, alright, what are the, what’s the most basic thing that needs to be done? Like what is going to move the needle? Um, and that has helped a lot, um, especially lately as we have all these ideas for virtual events and so many different types of events, but what, what, where do we have the traction right now? And where can we build on that? Um, and, and kind of focusing on that to know that like those other big things we want to do will come, like there’s time for that. Um, but I would say just kind of looking at what is the most basic thing and what is, even if you look at your, to do list for the day, it’s like, what is the one thing I can do today? That’s going like move the needle forward and make progress here. Because if you do that one thing a day over the course of a week, you get five things to move things forward versus just spinning your wheels or new ideas or opening up new opportunities that aren’t getting closed out. So I would say just like, yeah, kinda like, I think, I think there’s even a book, “The Biggest Thing” is that what it’s called? Um, but yeah, like the, what is the one thing that you can do? That’s just gonna make a difference.

Leah Gervais: Hmm. Well, good advice. So when did you, when did you start with central? When does that come into play?

Tim Gill: Yeah, so I started it in, uh, 2014 was when I started building it. The idea had been kind of building in my head. Um, so blue central is a vendor management platform for people that run events, um, and to, to manage all their, their vendor spaces and, and get the, they get for running a market or a home show or, uh, or any sort of, um, like a night market or a farmer’s market or anything like that, um, to manage all of your vendors and events. And, um, so I started, I was 29 at the time and we just had our first, um, our first little, little boy. And it was basically like I’d been sitting on these ideas for a long time and kind of building out like wireframes and what would this look like? And finally, they were like, well, if I’m going to do this, like, I, that was the time I gotta do it.

Like, I don’t want to just sit back and be like, well, I wonder what would’ve happened if I had that idea, you know, and, and kind of sat on that. So, um, so I made that decision, but even prior to that, um, what I found is just like surrounding myself with other people that were doing similar things was like such a confidence boost to show that like, Oh, other people are doing this. Other people are building websites and platforms and find developers and, and like building tools and all that. Like, I can, I can do that too, you know? And so I think just with no matter what someone wants to do, like if you want to, you know, build workshops and, and, and, and you want, if you want to make six figures, like hanging around people that are making six figures, you know, who at least have the senior pursuit, you know?

So, um, yeah, so I think that was a big part. And then, you know, once you, once you are surrounded by those people, then you just take the next step. Like, what’s the next step I can take toward actually doing this. Sometimes that first step can be the biggest step, just because it gets you in motion.

Leah Gervais: Were you scared? 

Tim Gill: Uh, yeah. Cause there was a lot of money up front that I had to invest. Um, and you know, and, and we hired a development team. I didn’t know any developers at the time or didn’t have any to help me build this, uh, platform. And so yeah, I put a lot of money up front and, um, not knowing exactly how it was going to go and, and that I make mistakes and learn things along the way, like, yes. Yeah. Like, and it’s still, it’s still, you know, something we’re building and growing and doing, but, um, I was scared. Yeah. But I’m glad I did it.

Leah Gervais: Yeah, no, it sounds like it was obviously the best thing to do. And I love what you said about that moment of, you know, if not now, when, and am I really, I talk a lot about how, you know, I think a lot of us get to a point where you, you don’t even want to hear yourself talk about your idea anymore because you’re sick of hearing. You’re talking about it. You’re like I just have to do it. I can’t like, I don’t even want to hear it go through my head again. Um, and I think it’s so amazing what you shared about how, you know, you did this when you were a new father. Um, and I think that we all can find the reason not to do something. If we, if we look, you know, there’s never that time, whether it’s that, whether it’s not the right time financially or not having time with your family or not the right time personally, you have to just choose eventually because I’m sure that, you know, maybe people in your life or maybe not, but in certain situations you could say, I can’t do this right now because we just had a baby. And the way that you thought I have to do this right now, because I’m not getting any younger and we just had a kid I think is so inspiring and exactly the entrepreneurial mindset.

Tim Gill: Yeah. The fears will be there. It definitely helps to like, yeah, just like, what are those spheres? And kind of playing those out. Okay. So, all right. So I put this much money into it and I lose it all. Okay. Then what? Like, alright, well then, you know, and just kind of playing that out and it’s like, okay, if these, yeah. These fears, if this definitely happens, like it’s not the end of the world. And, you know, just getting those fears, like, you know, so that you’re aware of them is a big, big part of like getting over and seeing through that.

Leah Gervais: Yeah. I totally agree. I often tell my clients to think of your fears as like a fun house mirror, where in the rear they look like he would do the scary and daunting, but when you like turn around and just shine the light on it, it’s really not that big. And a lot of times the things that, you know, we want to do, but fear stops us from doing in the worst case scenario. Like the biggest fear coming true, you would be exactly where you are now. Like your business would have failed and then you wouldn’t have it just like he didn’t have it when you started it, you know? Or like when people want to quit their nine to five job and they’re afraid because they might have to go back and get another nine to five job. And it’s like, you’re already there. You clearly can handle it. You know? And so anyway, I think that that’s also great advice. Okay. So you started six years ago, so congratulations. And, um, how many people are on your team now?

Tim Gill: Um, so right now we’ve got a team of mixed team of part time and full time, but we have 13 of us on the team. Um, and yeah, some of them are contractors, but we work closely with them. Um, and some of them are just like part time to help with customer service and, and different things. But, um, yeah, you know, we’ve got, it’s, it’s fun to see it grow. We hop on a zoom call. Um, I mean, some of them, I haven’t even met in an actual, like in person yet, but, um, but yeah, it was just fun to get a rate together and we all have kind of this shared vision for what is happening and we love to it’s, you know, we’re all on Slack and just to like celebrate the successes of what’s out there and when what’s going on is, is fun. So, um, we’re, we’re kind of in this new territory, uh, now that we’ve pivoted to, you know, to virtual events and stuff. And so it’s just exciting to have this team to work together.

Leah Gervais: Yeah. Congratulations. So I’d love to go here a bit. I’d love it. If whatever you’re willing to share about, you know, what it was like when you guys were like, the coronavirus is happening, we’re not gonna be able to do virtual or in person events for the foreseeable future. What was kind of going through your head and how did you manage to pivot so quickly?

Tim Gill: Yeah, I think when it really started to hit was probably when South by Southwest was canceled. I think that was all of a sudden, like, wait, what, you know, like this seems a little premature or over the top or whatever. And, and, but then just, even the following days later, you start to get a little more light as to what is going on. And, um, so our customers who are running events were canceling their events and postponing their events, like, you know, across the industry. And so we were able to help them do that and easily kind of refund vendors and do things cause it was all built into the platform. And then we were looking ahead to say, okay, well, you know, we could potentially use this time to sell our platform. Cause now the potential customers out there that can’t use the excuse that, well, we’re busy with events we’ll talk later and so on, but then, but then we were saying, they’re not going to sign up for anything right now because they’re just, they’re not certain about what’s happening.

And so, um, I spent about probably a week to 10 days really thinking about like, okay, well what could be done? What is a virtual event for this event space? Like, again, particularly with consumer shows where people are like, whether it be an art fair or a home show or a wedding expo where you’re really the, like the idea of it is that you’re going and talking to vendors in their different booth spaces. And so, um, you know, our team has kind of worked on this and, and years ago I had kind of thought about this like virtual event concept and what would it like is this, you know, it doesn’t make sense to be doing what we’re doing if everything’s going online in general, but it didn’t think about it too long, you know? And then finally now we’re in the spot where like, literally there are no events and the only events you can do are virtual.

And so, um, you know, as we were putting these ideas together the main feature that we kind of came up with of the face to face interaction between the attendees and the vendors was kind of where we were getting the most feedback and where we felt like we really had something. And so, um, talk through the team, we had to decide, like we had a lot of things we’re wanting to build this year for the platform. And we decided, okay, we are going to put those other things on hold and build this out and basically do it as basic as possible just to test out the theory of, well, attendees have a virtual event actually like click in and do a video chat with a vendor? And so our team, uh, took 10 days to build out like kind of wire frame design and build out this platform. And we did some testing that a test event and, um, everything worked well, you know, in its most basic form. And then we kept reiterating it from there, um, and getting our first customers to, to try it out. And, um, you know, the interest has been growing ever since, as far as people like that, everyone’s looking for different platforms and trying to work through what’s best for them and their event. And so that’s what we’re working through right now is just how to help our customers put on successful virtual events.

Leah Gervais: So are you primarily working with, um, I guess the people managing these events, you’re not really working with the vendors within them or do you work with both?

Tim Gill: Yeah, so our customers are the actual event, organizers, the event owners. So it could be the art fair organizer. Um, but now that we kind of see ourselves as the venue of the event now our platform. And so we’re very interested in making sure that the vendors know what to do, how to, what to do when they get there, how this works. And so, um, that, and if that makes the promoters lives easier, then they’re more inclined to sign up and, and run an event on our platform. And so that means, I mean, we’ve just been building out like tutorial videos, frequently asked question documents, um, trying to just make it easy for everybody. I mean, our goal is for everyone to be happy at the end of the event to be successful. Um, if we can do that, then they’ll keep doing more events and, and, uh, you know, keep it going. I don’t want a bunch of one time customers that are just trying this one time and then it doesn’t really work out for them.

Leah Gervais: Right. Right. Wow. Well, congratulate figuring out how to do that in real time.

Tim Gill: Yeah. I mean, every day, every day is just something, you know, I’m trying to, trying to keep building upon it itself.

Leah Gervais: Would you say, do you think this is going to, what, from your perspective, what do you think it’s going to look like once we can have events again? Do you think you’ll be admitted you’ll forever be a mix now, or do you think virtual is going to kind of be the future?

Tim Gill: Um, we definitely are looking ahead to hybrid events. We do see, um, there’s a cool article that was shared with me a couple of weeks ago about, um, the, I think it was a cofounder, one of the cofounders of square cash register systems. And basically, they’re just talking about the idea of like, as an entrepreneur, we shouldn’t try to necessarily disrupt, uh, like markets, but actually expand marketplaces. And so we are actually looking at our platform now is not just a way to like get in there and undercut or do something different than the existing, you know, uh, virtual event platforms are out there, but to really provide opportunities for people to run virtual events where they’d never even thought about doing that before. Um, particularly with like influencers and different people that, um, have a following, they have followings and they also have partners that they work with.

I’m like, well, that’s what really makes up a virtual event. And we have a bunch of attendees coming to view and interact with different businesses. And then the host is actually the one that’s just the facilitator of that. So they’re putting on a live stream production and then, you know, kind of bringing the attendees and the custody of the vendors and the businesses together. So we do see that continuing to grow virtually because you can now run events nationwide or worldwide and bring audiences together in one place. But for the local events, we do see a hybrid event, um, where you’re running events, you know, in person at the same time though, you can still draw audiences from, from around, uh, from outside of the area. And they could still interact with that art that, with that artist, while they’re at the show live, they’re pulling up their phone with their webcam showing their work.

And all of a sudden you could be, you know, all the way across the country and still being a part of that show. And so, um, we’re excited to see just how that all integrates together and right away, we were looking at basically offering three different products where it was like, okay, here’s our vendor management for signing up for shows, here’s our ticketing platform. And then here’s our virtual event. And now we’re like, no, let’s just create one product where they get all of that together. And, and at this point, I think in the early stages here, we’re going to have to kind of paint the vision for what that looks like. Cause it’s, it’s on the territory or for people. Yeah.

Leah Gervais: Right, right, right. Amazing. So do you have like one or two kind of big learnings or things you want to share about what makes a good virtual event? I know, I feel like I’ve been reading a lot about zoom burnout and just sort of feeling like, you know, and granted, I think we’re in an interesting chapter because I don’t think it’s necessarily burnout from, or like a disinterest in connecting virtually. I think it’s just that people were so overloaded. So have you seen anything really work well that you kind of want to share the masses that might not be getting it?

Tim Gill: Yeah, I lived, um, I would say the ability to stream off to multiple platforms is great too, just as far as getting a reach. Um, and you can do that with our platform, you know, while you’re streaming on the event page, you can also be co streaming to Facebook and LinkedIn and YouTube. But I would say it’s more, um, people’s attention spans are short and there’s a lot of, there’s a lot of content out there. So, um, I would think, just thinking about like, what is most engaging and what, cause it’s the most value you can provide in the shortest amount of time? Um, yeah. Yeah. And people are, people are like, there’s so many different webinars and tutorials and emails and like that you’re getting bombarded with. And, and it’s just, people are running things on their own time that timeframe now.

So they don’t want to just necessarily be locked in to, um, to a certain period of time. So the ability to, if you’re running a virtual event, for people to come back and view those vendors or those videos later, uh, on their own time is important. In order to, to maximize that experience, now you definitely want to build in, like, because of that though, like what can you do? That’s unique to the live experience that makes them want to come at that moment to still, you know, create something, you know, that is time sensitive, that they want to be a part of. Um, but those are a couple of things, you know, I’ve also looked into and people are talking about like, okay, how can you bring in the sights and sounds, the smells even, uh, of an event. And can you partner with like local restaurants and, and, and work in some sort of like a catered lunch or something into the virtual event so that it actually forces them to stop and, okay, we’re going to do this at 12 o’clock, but here’s a lunch here’s lunch enjoy while you’re watching this. And then all of a sudden, they’re, they’re much more inclined to like, stop. We’re all sharing the same meal together, even though we’re not together. So things like that. And I think there’s a lot of creative things that are starting to come out of this, um, time that are worth exploring.

Leah Gervais: Hmm. Awesome. All really good tips, definitely things. I think I’m going to start day. It’s true. I especially love the kind of like less is more in terms of time, because I do think there’s been sort of like an overproduction of content and it’s like overwhelming and it might just be like, you need to kind of overcompensate, cause they’re not in person, but that isn’t actually the way to do it. So I think that that’s great advice. Amazing. Well, congratulations on pivoting and how quickly you were able to do this. I’m definitely inspired. And, um, my business didn’t, my business was never really in person to begin with. And still, I feel like you have pivoted in it in a very, um, in a very impressive way. Are there, you know, looking back over the six years or I guess kind of your, your lifetime career as an entrepreneur, is there any other moment that you feel kind of prepared you for this or that you think, um, was especially challenging? Does anything kind of stand out that really shaped you?

Tim Gill: Um, you know, I think, um, just being surrounded by people that are gonna help. I mean, my wife has a life and, and my best friend in life, and she’s been amazing through all these processes as I’ve gone through business. And just being able to see like, all right, what, where are some of my strengths? And, she’s been able to help me in ways that I don’t have strengths in and it’s pushed me and helped me and encouraged me in different ways. And so just being surrounded by people that can encourage you through the process is huge. Um, you know, friends who were kind of in the fight themselves in doing this, otherwise we can, it can really start to feel real lonely. Um, but, and then ultimately just, and this is kind of, um, definitely some things I’ve learned from my wife as a life coach. Just like the mindset. The thoughts you have are just are huge around this, the thoughts you have about, um, the fears, like we’ve talked about, the fears that you have are just kind of made up thoughts, um, the, the thoughts and the beliefs around what you’re trying to do. So do you really believe in what you’re doing and can you really get to a place of belief on that? 

And if you can’t, it’s not like it’s not worth pursuing, but like get to the point where you can believe in what you’re doing, because once you truly believe it, then you can inspire others to believe it as well, and to join along with you. And so that’s kind of, then my pursuit as of late is just trying to figure out, um, kind of stepping back a little bit from like the, the day to day things that need to be done. We have a team for that, but just like just making sure that I’m solid and what we’re doing as a leader and that the thoughts that I have are helping move us toward progress and where we want to be. Um, so yeah, our thoughts are powerful and they can definitely affect, you know, how things, how things go for us.

Leah Gervais: Everything I love that you gave that advice. It’s the only reason my business lasted is because I learned my mindset. And it’s so funny because when you start, you don’t really, I didn’t really any way think it was going to be this huge, like a personal development journey. You know, I wanted to help people grow businesses. I, and I have kind of an analytical brain like that. Um, and I was totally in for the kind of reversal of my life. I realized that like, now, if you were to ask me, when I started a few years ago, I do business coaching. So I’m not quite like what you’ve been, you know, still involves a lot of the same principles. Um, like I would have thought the most important thing to pay attention to were my numbers and my income and my KPI’s and all of that. And now I would say the most important thing is how’s my energy? Can I, do I feel good? Am I able to inspire people? Do I feel inspired if not walk away for a little while, because I’ve never really built, you know, long lasting things from that place of stress or anxiety. It’s funny. Yeah.

Tim Gill: Are you taking care of yourself, your body, your relationships, are you able to bring your full self to the situation or are you rushing around and you know, like I’ve got morning meeting with a couple of key team members and am I, am I rushing them or am I like present in there for them to empower them to do what they need to do? So, um, yeah, it’s all I could talk a long time about this stuff.

Leah Gervais: I could talk all day about this stuff. Okay. Well, I have three Your Biggest Vision questions for you, or are you ready? 

Tim Gill: Yes. 

Leah Gervais: Cool. Okay. What is your go to when business goes wrong? You have a bad day. What do you do?

Tim Gill: Take a walk at the end of the day and just, um, yeah, it’s just to, to kind of process it, um, think through, take a walk, take a walk, get away. And that’s definitely like been, I’ve been doing a lot of walks lately. But just to kind of reset the mind and to, um, kind of start fresh and, and know that like tomorrow doesn’t have to be a bad day just cause today was, you know, and just kind of worked through that. 

Leah Gervais: Yeah. Well, I love that. Uh, what is your proudest business moment so far? Do you have a Holy crap? I did this moment?

Tim Gill: I would say in selling a couple of businesses that I’ve had a couple events that I’ve run, I built up and then ended up selling to other people. And while I can’t say that it was a giant, huge sale, you know, but it was enough where I’m like, yeah, I built something up here. There’s there’s value and someone else can not run with this and they see the value and they’ve been able to continue those businesses and keep them going and, and growing. And I think that’s way more like, that’s way more of an achievement. I feel like then like the money from selling it, it’s just that, like, there’s something that’s now living on because I created it and someone else’s completely running it and doing it on their own. And that looking back like that, that I feel like from a business standpoint has just been, it’s like closing it out, right. Doing all that work and then you close it out and then, but it lives on and people are still enjoying, going to those events today. Um, that feels really good.

Leah Gervais: Yeah, that’s right. I mean, something’s bigger than you, which is the whole goal, I guess you would say. Yeah. Um, do you have a particular business building podcast, cast or book that has really helped you?

Tim Gill: Um, I would say like I just, Gary V. has always been like a great, a great resource of inspiration, um, you know, from, uh, get things going. And especially when you’re on your own, um, as, as a look to growing a team though, that’s kind of like a new level, I feel like. Um, and, and not just working by myself and I know it’s, it’s kind of older now, but like Jim Collins “Good to Great” is, has always been, uh, a book that has inspired me to like build teams and to, um, just kind of, yeah. Grow the teams and keep people inspired. And there’s, there’s, I know there’s so many resources out there, but that’s the one that just always, I just can’t stop using those analogies and from that.

Leah Gervais: Oh, awesome. Cool. Um, and where can people find out more about you?

Tim Gill: Yeah, so, um, BoothCentral.com is about booth central. Um, I’m on LinkedIn and love connecting with people as well. Um, so you can just search me on LinkedIn and BoothCentral, llove to connect with anybody, whether it’s, um, doing virtual events or even just looking like we’re growing our team, you know, as well. So people are looking to, um, be a part of a startup, um, that is in the event space. We’d love to hear from people too, cause you know we need the best people we can find to build this.

Leah Gervais: Awesome. Well, thank you so, so much for sharing your story with us, Tim, and thanks for, um, you know, being vulnerable. I know sometimes it’s a little nerve to look back on all this happened, but, uh, you’re very inspiring and it’s, it’s really helpful to hear, you know, how people are successfully adapting. So, um, I really appreciate it and congratulations on all your success.

Tim Gill: Thanks so much, Leah and congrats to you and all that you’re doing. Thanks for having me today.

Leah Gervais: Thanks so much visionaries. So I hope that you guys loved this and reach out to Tim. Let me know on Instagram, if you loved this episode and I’ll talk to you soon, here’s to your vision.

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