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Ariel Frey Instagram- @thearielfrey

Leah Gervais: The visionaries. Welcome back to the Your Biggest Vision show. This is Leah coming to you from New York city. So excuse the sirens if you’re hearing them that literally just started as I hit record, but I am here and I’m so excited to be here with Ariel Frye. Hi Ariel. Hey, thanks for being here.

Ariel Frey: Thank you so much for having me. I’m so excited.

Leah Gervais: I am excited too. We were just joking before we started recording that we’re like excited to record this topic, but also just excited to chat with each other. So hopefully you enjoy a little bit of both. Uh, and this interview is one of the series that hopefully you guys have tuned in for where I am interviewing specifically mothers that are online business owners. So I know there’s a lot out there on, um, working women and women in corporate and female breadwinners and all of that is really useful. 

But as I got pregnant, I was very excited and curious and just kind of almost found a little bit of a lack of information on this specific piece around online business and motherhood, especially because there are a lot of unique benefits that come with owning an online business as a mother, including flexibility, and being able to work from home. But they’re also unique challenges. So that is what this series is born out of. An Ariel has an amazing story of becoming a mother. Your daughter is what, three or four, now when Ariel?

Ariel Frey: Yeah, she’s four and almost a half now. No, she’s a real person now. And it’s so weird. 

She’s a grownup

Grown-up I’m telling you.

Leah Gervais: Oh, I can only imagine. I’m sure it’s so fun. So, um, let’s go ahead and just dive in. So Ariel, why don’t you start telling us a little bit about first, what it is that you do now, and then let’s take it back to where your business was when you got pregnant.

Ariel Frey: Totally. So what I do now is the same thing that I did then. Um, I am a success coach and business mentor. I’ve been doing this for six plus years now and I help women entrepreneurs and coaches grow their businesses with more ease. Um, and what I was doing then is this same thing, but not quite as efficiently as I doing now, um, because you have to as a mom. Um, but yeah, then I was, I got, uh, pregnant and it was, um, it was a happy surprise at the time. Um, and, uh, I was, um, working with clients one-on-one I had some courses and things like that, but I was still, um, doing success, coaching and business mentorship.

Leah Gervais: Would you say you were in more of the ramp up phase or were you pretty established at that point?

Ariel Frey: So I always love to be really transparent. I had ramped, I had already been established and like I had ramped up and I was really established, but when I got pregnant, I kind of had this freak out for a lot of the months that I was pregnant. And so for me, there was just like a lot of transition or me trying to prepare without continuing to burn myself out. And I wasn’t really finding a lot of resources around how to do that at the time. Like, I was really having a hard time, um, finding ways to continue to scale that I felt like I could do when I was pregnant. 

But like, I didn’t know, it was kind of unknown, you know what I mean? Cause I didn’t know what it was going to be like being pregnant. Right. And so, uh, I, I wouldn’t say I took a step back, but as you know, when you have a lot of mindset stuff going on, you, you know, it, it, it impacts your business when you’re the face of it. So, um, for me, I kind of, uh, went into more of like a stalling phase and then went into a ramp up phase again, if that makes sense. I just like to provide a lot of context because I don’t want to make it, you know, sound like it’s unicorns and whatever all the time.

Leah Gervais: I mean, that’s really helpful. So did you go through kind of a phase after you found out you were pregnant where you were sort of like, oh my gosh, like, is my business in the right place for me to have this baby? And like, how am I going to make the two work together? And D where are you almost scared for a little while. I mean, I definitely can relate to that in some sense. And I think a lot of women can.

Ariel Frey: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I was really scared because a lot of how I built my business was kind of being on and the face and I was really learning how to, um, lead a team and scale and all of that. And when I got pregnant, it wasn’t planned, you know, I mean, I know a lot of times it’s not planned, right. It’s like the happiest accident ever, but it’s not like I was, you know, actively trying to get that. Yeah. And so, um, I did, I was really scared because I didn’t know what that could look like. 

I didn’t really have anyone around me to be honest. Like I didn’t have anyone around me who I felt like were there was nobody there where it was like an example or that I felt like they could show me the way kind of thing and because I had so much of my own fear, I was having trouble finding my own way, I guess, is the best way to put up. The only person actually was Kate Northrup. I ended up having a conversation with her and it was just like, oh my God, I felt so supported and just like loved and seen. And I wish everyone would have that while they were pregnant.

Leah Gervais: Yeah, absolutely. Um, I also read her book when I got pregnant. It was like highly recommended to me. I think it’s kind of like the entrepreneurship pregnancy, like go-to book. Um, yeah, I think that I can really, you know, a lot of people can relate to what you’re going through because even like, even if the pregnancy is planned, if you’re in a situation where you’re the face of your business and now you’re pregnant, that is not an easy thing to juggle. So, um, like how was your pregnancy, do you remember struggling to show up while you were pregnant? That’s one thing I feel like I haven’t talked to or talked enough about on this series. I’ve talked a lot about like maternity leave and like, you know, how to be then a mom and a business owner, but pregnancy itself has thrown me a lot of curve balls. I would love to hear your experience, um, with that.

Ariel Frey: Yeah. I was constantly working. It felt like, like, or I was, you know, I was working a lot, but I think because, and again, you know, it just kind of goes back to the fear that I had. Um, I just was really concerned about how I was going to be able to do this. So like a lot of my focus was on like, how can I set this thing up so that I can be with my baby? And because I had so much of that fear going on, I was really having a hard time letting something stick if that makes any sense. Um, and so for me, it wasn’t necessarily like, oh, I’m really tired or I’m really, um, I mean, I was of course, you know, tired at different times, but, um, I was feeling kind of, you know, I was the breadwinner, right.

And so I was feeling just a lot of pressure and a lot of uncertainty at the same time. And that was really hard mentally. Um, and now there’s like, when I look back, it’s so obvious what I could have done, you know what I mean? I’m like, oh, like I could have just done this and this and this and this. And like, it would have been totally fine. And, you know, but at the time I was just between the uncertainty on that pressure because there’s, you know, there was more uncertainty than just the baby. I just was really having a hard time, um, doing the right things, if that makes sense.

Leah Gervais: Yeah. That’s I appreciate you sharing that. So what would you go back and tell yourself?

Ariel Frey: Oh my gosh. I always tell myself that’s such a good question. Keep it simple. I would say keep it simple. I would say focus on selling what you love to sell and that, you know, that you’re really good at. And honestly, I would probably keep it as simple as that. And I would be like, stop doing more things, continue to do exactly what you know, that works and utilize people more because I had, uh, I had multiple assistants during that time and I just was not even utilizing them. I mean, it was craziness.

Leah Gervais: Can you tell me a little bit more about that? Like how could you, how could someone think about getting more support if they’re like just starting to hire or if they like just got pregnant and realize they need support?

Ariel Frey: Oh my gosh. I love this question because I think over the last couple years, actually, I’ve really learned how to ask for help and not just ask like a coach or something like that, but like really ask anyone, I just call it like learning how to ask. Yeah. So what I, what I mean is like I’ve hired coaches for years and, um, I have no problem asking for support in that way, but the idea of asking other people for help, like my partner at the time, um, or, uh, my parents or, um, my, uh, partner at the time, my daughter’s Dad, um, like asking his parents for help. Like, and what I mean by asking for help is thinking of things that people could do for me or that I need help with and just asking them for it. It never occurred to me that I could do that.

So even like, to this extent, so like, let’s say you’re in business and you know, that you need help. It never occurred to me that even if I couldn’t have paid for someone to help me like an assistant or virtual assistant or something like that, like I could there’s, there are, um, there are interns, there are, who will do it for experience. There are people who can help you on Fiver who are wonderful. Um, and you know, can do one-off tasks for you. Um, you know, there are just lots of people in your life, but for me, I had never learned how to ask. It always kind of felt like, oh, I can’t do that. Or I’m a burden or, um, I’m, that’s rude or they would never want to help, or they’re too busy. You know, it was like, I just didn’t to be in, in, not in someone’s way, but I didn’t want to burden someone, so I wouldn’t ask for things. 

Ariel Frey: I think that that is what I would have. I would have really done that differently because there were lots of people, including my daughter’s dad who would have helped me if I would have asked. And so I think getting help around the house, uh, getting help with cleaning or, uh, with errands that you might have to run, or like we moved while I was pregnant and I could have easily asked people to come and help me unpack boxes, but I let them sit there, things like that. 

Ariel Frey: It just never occurred to me. So I’m really happy you asked that question because it’s like a muscle that I had to build to learn how to ask for things. I really think so many more people want to help you than you realize, but when you feel, when you come at it from a feeling of like, I don’t want to ask, cause I don’t want to be a burden or I don’t want to inconvenience them.

That was the word I was looking for before inconvenience. Then it feels really yucky to ask for help instead of like, just, uh, knowing that if someone asked you that you would help or being focused on giving value and knowing that it’s okay to ask, it’s a totally different dynamic, but yeah, I would do, I would do that. I would ask other people in my life for help, or I would think about, you know, what do I really need help with right now? Or what am I struggling with right now? And then I would, um, ask other people in my life if they could help me. And I would say it like, you know, it would, it would really help me so much if you could do this thing. 

Right. And then, um, you know, if there’s some kind of conversation that comes up after that, then have that conversation. But that’s what I would say. And then with, um, with like an assistant, I would offload more things to them if you already have one, but if you don’t and that’s kind of a sticking point for you, I would look for other alternatives, like, is your, like, my mom is like retired for example. And I know she would help me, you know? Right. So I could just ask her, you know, or, you know, have you looked at Fiver or there’s lots of different ideas.

Leah Gervais: Right. So I also think that it can feel intimidating to start outsourcing, of course. And I actually think that that’s a good thing. Sometimes I feel like in the online business we’re almost pushed to like higher, higher, higher, higher before you’re ready. Like, you know, you, you need a team, blah, blah, blah. And sometimes I feel like there’s not enough structure behind all that advice that teaches you, like how to hire a team and how to make sure that you can afford a team and things like that. So I think it’s a good thing to take seriously, but I also think that you can start with someone at five hours a week where it doesn’t really need to feel like a big financial commitment and it can always be something that you do on a trial period and be transparent about that upfront so that they know that you are kind of testing out the waters to make sure that this makes sense for the, both of you. You’re not like committing to them for, you know, months or even years at a time and right away, I think having like five hours of your week back where you don’t have to, whether it’s personal or within business to some of the tasks you’re doing will make a huge difference.

Ariel Frey: Absolutely. I agree. And something that just came up for me, as you were saying that is that I think there’s sort of this idea and maybe this was just me, but I really think that there’s this idea where like you, I felt like I had to get to this certain point while pregnant in my business. Like I felt like I had to reach certain milestones in my business while I was pregnant instead of just honoring like five body and like the time and all of that, I felt like I have to get to this point. And so for me, I wasn’t really even, um, necessarily thinking about what you were just saying. Right. I was just thinking about what do I need to do to get to that point? And I think what would have been so much smarter that we obviously do now is really weighing out the cost benefit of things and making more informed, intentional decisions where maybe I don’t hire as many people. Maybe I don’t have as many moving parts, but maybe I have something that feels really grounding and really supportive. And it’s a lot more simple.

Leah Gervais: Right. Do you feel like the advice that you’d give to pregnant women out there now that are entrepreneurs is to like, if they feel called to just take the time to slow down?

Ariel Frey: I think, I think that’s the hard tension for people I’ve talked to is like, you like the idea of slowing down, you want to enjoy the time that is pregnancy, because it’s so special, but you don’t want it to be like at the cost of your business growth and momentum. And unfortunately I feel like it can, it can feel like there’s a one or the other type thing. Like you almost have to pick, that’s obviously an oversimplification and not always the choice, but like, or the, the situation. Um, but for a lot of people they’ve just never had that big of a physically demanding thing going on while they are running their business. I know that’s been the case for me. I’ve definitely never felt like at the mercy of my body so much. And in a lot of ways, I don’t mind it. I like being able to listen to myself more and like, you know, shift into what my pregnant body is telling me because I’ve never really needed, but sometimes it can feel like my mind wants to do one thing in my body wants to do another. 

Yeah, yeah.

Leah Gervais: It’s yeah, it’s an experience. Okay. So with this, you know, so I, I really appreciate you being so open about how you were kind of like racing to a finish line is what it sort of is sounding like when you were pregnant, like you knew this baby was coming, you had to get your business to a certain place. You had to get things up and running. And so you felt, what did you, what do you think you did, right? Like what, when, when the baby was born, what were you like? Wow, I’m so happy. I did that.

Ariel Frey: Hm. So when the baby was born, it was actually right before the baby was born. The thing that I did right. Is I simplified and I started selling high ticket and not for me with such a good decision. Not that it’s the best decision for everyone. I think there’s like all the different business models, as you know, I think we come from the same school of thought that like all the business models work, which one’s gonna work for you. Right. Um, but that was such a good decision for me. So, um, I would say I definitely did that. Right. And

Leah Gervais: So did you work with clients when you were, did you take a maternity leave?

Ariel Frey: At the time? I took, I think I took a few weeks and then I, I like, literally, I really had to think about that for a second. I took a few weeks cause it wasn’t long, you know, but I took, I had, um, I had sold a few, um, packages, I believe, high ticket and my daughter was born and then I took a few weeks off and of course everyone was like really understanding. And then after that, um, I just kept working again, but I made everything super simple. Like I just was not, there was nothing complicated about what I was doing. I just made everything so simple with selling high ticket. Um, and I was just taking calls while she was with me while she was, um, sleeping or I would like feed her and she might who and that kind of thing. And then I would schedule her, um, I would schedule my calls around her naps. Yeah.

Leah Gervais: Hmm. That’s amazing. I’m hoping a lot, like in the, in the early phases, that’s what people tell me. They’re like newborn sleep a lot so long as you don’t have a newborn that doesn’t sleep a lot. And I’m like, awesome. Yeah.

Ariel Frey: Yeah. She really did sleep, sleep a lot. I find that it’s, it was quite truthfully more challenging for me or I would say it was challenging in different ways, but it was equally as challenging for me when she was a newborn as when we did the first year of the pandemic here in Chicago and lockdown. Um, probably not the first year, probably like six months or so those, those were like equally as difficult because my daughter was here with me the whole time because they weren’t going to school and all of that.

Leah Gervais: Right. Oh my God. I can only imagine I’m sure that he could do a whole other episode on that probably yeah. To own a business with your kids home during the pandemic with your toddler childcare. Yeah. I can only imagine. Okay, cool. So I love that you’re emphasizing simplification. I think that that’s really helpful for everyone. And I also love that you, um, just, you know, we’re honest with your clients and said like, Hey, I’m having a baby. I’m going to be a few weeks late. Like it’s okay. Or, you know, we’re going to start in a month or whatever. I think that that’s such an important point to make is that like people will understand. I think sometimes, and this is advice for myself too. Uh, you know, preparing for maternity leave. It’s like, everything has to be so as if I’m not gone or like, if I’m here and it’s like, you also can just be open about the fact that you’re having a baby and most people will understand.

Ariel Frey: Totally. And I remember I had a coach at the time and um, I had said to her like, I’m so worried, like people are going to be, um, like turned off by the fact that I have a, a baby or something. I remember I said something like that to her like, oh, they’re, you know, they’re, if I bring my baby on live stream or whatever it was. And I remember she said to me, she’s like, what people are going to love that, you know, people are going to, not that obviously everyone needs to run their business that way, but she said, people are going to not care at all. Or they’re going to love that this is the way that you’re doing it.

Leah Gervais: Did you find that to be true?

Ariel Frey: Yeah, absolutely. I didn’t. There was no one that had any problem with it at all.

Leah Gervais: How else do you feel? Not, I don’t mean this in a way of like, how has your daughter like helps your business, but like how else do you feel that like becoming a mother and managing your time differently has actually helped your business instead of made it harder? If there is ways?

Ariel Frey: Yeah. I think that there’s been so many ways that becoming a mother has helped my business and it just goes, it goes beyond time too. Um, with time I’ve really had to learn how to get focused. So I don’t, I can’t really do what I had done in the past where I like maybe go down a rabbit hole and research something, or I spend a lot of time something when I really shouldn’t be that should be outsourced or I spend a lot of time on some kind of creative project. So I just don’t do those things anymore that I did in my early twenties when I was starting my business, because I just have to really focus in on my goals. And I think that my business has become more of a business as opposed to something that like, that is part of me, if that makes sense.

Ariel Frey: I think for a long time I felt like I was the business and of course, like I’m, I’m the face of the business, but I also felt like I’m the visits. And so the business kind of would, would not ebb and flow based on me, but kind of in a way. And so now I feel like with her, what I’ve learned to do is systematize better, use my time, better simplify things and, um, and also be, feel more confident just because I’ve a done those things that I just mentioned, but also be because I really worked on like, I’m a good mom. And I think my confidence in feeling like I’m a good mom, just the confidence in general, translated over into my business as well. 

Ariel Frey: So there’s been a lot of different, you know, changes that happened, but I just am not able anymore to kind of do things that don’t move the business forward. And I have to be really honest with myself about what those things are that move the business forward. And that is how I kind of created that separation between the business and me, the business is the business. And of course there are some types of, you know, personal brand type influencer type of things that I do. But at the end of the day, the business is the business and I am me and those two things are separate.

Leah Gervais: Um, that is, yeah. I love a lot of what you said there. I love that you found that separation. That’s something I still work on, honestly, but that I’ve gotten really intentional about over the last few years. Um, as well as the piece around just finding confidence in the fact that like you are raising a child and you’re doing a great job at it. And like you can do hard things and therefore you also can do hard things in your business. Um, you don’t have to answer this question if you don’t want, cause it just could be like, not fun, but is there anything you want to touch on with mom guilt or mom? Um, comparison on social media? I’ve I, to be totally honest since I got pregnant, I’ve not really followed any moms or, um, like pregnancy influencers or mom influencers and it’s not because I don’t think they have helpful things to say, but I’m just like almost trying to be proactive about not comparison comparing myself to them. Um, so I’d love to hear if you’ve experienced that at all. If you have any thoughts on that, if you just kind of shut that out, how you handle it, if you have anything to show.

Ariel Frey: Totally. The biggest thing that comes up for me is that I always from before she was born and I think this is actually, um, just to kind of bring things full circle. I think this is actually one of the places that my anxiety or fear came from, or, you know, when I was pregnant with her is I’ve always been concerned that I would not be a good mom. I didn’t- if my daughter listens to this one day. It might be a little weird, but I didn’t want to be a mom now, you know, it’s the best thing that ever happened. But it never in the same way that asking never occurred to me, it never occurred to me that I would want to be a mom. And, um, and you know, it’s, she’s like my BFF, like I love her. She’s the best thing ever.

I’m so happy that everything happened the way that it did, but I always had that kind of idea that I wasn’t a good mom and or that I wouldn’t be a good mom. And I remember, um, Lacey, our coach, also, uh, said to me one time, you know, she was like, um, just so you know, can I curse on here? 

Leah Gervais: Yes. 

Ariel Frey: Okay. Um, she goes, just say, you know, you’re gonna it up. And I’m like, what are you talking about? She’s like, she’s like, there’s no way, like everybody up their kid. Right. And, and, and I was like, really? And now, like, I understand what she, you know, what she meant, which is like, not that I’m going to it up, but like that there’s, that humans are humans and relationships are relationships. And, you know, if she, it, I might do something that she remembers for a long time.

It makes her feel a certain way or, or whatever. But I can’t go around trying to not do that because that limits so much of what our relationship could be. And so back to your question, um, did I compare myself on social media? Did I, you know, did I look at people and did I have that mom guilt? The biggest thing that I kind of always gravitated toward was like, how do I parent my toddler without yelling? How do I parent my toddler? And, um, do all of those things, like without getting frustrated. And I would, I would spend time trying to figure out like, okay, how do I self-regulate myself? Um, because after my daughter was like a couple of years old, I became a single and it was just really, really difficult. I mean, just between just even little things like going grocery shopping, um, and bringing the stroller back up the stairs and stuff like that.

So, um, I would have to, you know, figure out how to self-regulate. And so I would read a lot of those things on Instagram from, um, different companies. And they’re really, you know, they’re really helpful to kind of have a better understanding of your toddler, but at the same time, I really had to deal with my own internal mindset and my own internal thoughts to not make myself wrong. That I had said the opposite of what they said that you should do, or that I had gotten frustrated about something or that I had said, it’s time to put your jacket on now, instead of, okay, you don’t want to put your jacket on now. That’s fine. I’ll hold it with me until we get outside. And then you can trust your body to tell me when you want to put your jacket on. Like, why would it ever occur to me to say something like that? Unless I had some other training or something. 

Ariel Frey: I mean, that would just never occur to me to say that no one said that to me, you know, it was just like, listen, get in line, do what you’re told, you know, so I think that’s like the biggest thing for me, for me, it wasn’t like necessarily having the perfect house ready. Although I definitely think that social media influenced me to think that I wanted, you know, the Instagram ready house with the baby and all that stuff and I probably purchased more things than I should have. But I think it was really kind of that internal thing of like looking at a lot of ways that you should parent or like, you know, time parenting, but like gentle parenting or conscious parenting, and then comparing to what I had done and then making myself wrong. Right. That was so long-winded, I’m so sorry, but I hope that that makes

Leah Gervais: No, no, that, that is really helpful. And I think it’s a good way to look at it. And what I love about what you’re saying that I think is almost like a benefit to people that are in the coaching space or that have done entrepreneurial mindset work and things like that is that you, um, I think like what I’m getting encouraged from, from what you’re saying is the reminder that like, I’ve learned how to be intentional with so many parts of my life. I’ve learned how to not be overly influenced with the way other people do things or the way society does things, because I’ve had to do that in order for my business to be successful. 

So even though people might kind of give me the spooks about like mom guilt and comparison and things like that, I think that, you know, hopefully the background and the backbone that I have of like already having to do things differently and already having to like, intentional about how I want to do things will serve me also in motherhood, the way it has in business.

And I think that that’s, that’s what I heard from what you were saying is that like, you’ve really chosen how you’ve wanted to do things and you’ve had to block out or not make yourself wrong. If things look differently than they do for others. And I think that we’ve already had to do that. So it’s not like, you know, you’ve never done anything like this before. I’m sure it’s completely different in the context of a child, but when it comes to like that intentional work in that, like that, those decisions in that choice, that isn’t totally new to me. And that makes me feel better.

Ariel Frey: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I love that. You kind of condensed what I was saying down, but yeah, totally. And I think that the thing is, it’s new, being a mom is new when you’re a first-time mom and there’s going to be things that feel frustrating at times because you’re human. Right. And I wish that somebody would have told me that, like, it’s fine to feel frustrated. You’re human it’s okay. You don’t have to, like, it is okay. If you get frustrated at your kid, it’s okay. If you get frustrated, situationally, like what matters is what you do after, you know, what matters is that you’re not making yourself wrong about it. You’re not beating yourself up about it. That you’re apologizing. I mean, I don’t now I’ve, I’ve really worked on like, like, um, regulating my self. Um, but you know, there are times when I still like, will get frustrated with my daughter.

Ariel Frey: I mean, she’s four and a half. She’s like really, really independent and how, you know, she does something. And even like this morning, like I was like, it’s time to put your shirt on now, like in my mom voice. And, and, uh, and she was just like, no, you know, and then I was like, in my brain, I’m like, okay, I could try to force her to put her shirt on, or I could just like go into her room and like rub her back and ask her how she’s feeling, which one do I want to do? You know? So I, and so, you know, I think what matters is like what you do after, and I’ve done my fair share of apologizing after. And I think that teaches her that it’s okay to have human emotions and you can also apologize and you can also forgive and you know, all those things.

Leah Gervais: Yeah. Yeah. Really good. Oh, well, it is so insightful to hear from you. And I know that, um, you know, I know you’re really open about, um, everything you did during your business during that time. And it sounds like it was very pivotal for you in terms of your entrepreneurial journey. Um, and so thank you for sharing it with us. Is there any final words you would give to someone who is listening to this who’s pregnant, who owns a business?

Ariel Frey: Yes. The thing that I always try to carry around with me is that it’s always working out for you better than you could imagine. And I think that there’s going to be a lot of times where you’re going into kind of an uncertain space as a mom, and you’re doing a lot of new things rapidly all at the same time and managing a business. And that there’s just going to be inevitable challenges that come with that. But I think that if you remember that it’s all working out for you better than you can imagine, it really helps to give you some perspective in those moments when it just feels like, wow, this is really challenging, or this is not working how I thought that it would. Um, I think if you kind of have that perspective, it helps you to see things in a different light and helps you to look forward to how it is all working out for you better than you could imagine. So I hope that that is helpful for someone whoever needed to hear it after listening to this.

Leah Gervais: That’s beautiful. It’s always working out for you better than you can imagine what a beautiful way to summarize this journey and also your outlook. So thank you. Thank you for sharing this with us. Thank you so much for being on the show. And I know that you’re going to help a lot of people with this message.

Ariel Frey: Thank you so much, Leah.

Leah Gervais: All right, visionaries. So I hope you loved this episode. You can always DM Ariel on Instagram. If you listened, we will put her Instagram in the show notes anywhere else people are you, is that where you’re most active Ariel?

Ariel Frey: Yeah, totally. That’s perfect. 

Leah Gervais: Cool. Okay. Well, thanks so much for sharing. I hope you guys love this episode and we will talk to you soon.

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