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Leah Gervais: Hey visionaries. Welcome back to the, our biggest vision show. I am your host, Leah Jervais and I am very excited and honored here today to have Alyssa Kyle with us. She is, she’s one of my very good friends and she is a really, um, inspiring, uh, champion for public policy work and advocacy work. Um, I’ve also had the pleasure of working with her over the past few years to build her own online business. And she’s here today to talk to us about how to mesh the two. So thank you so much for being here, Alyssa. 

Alyssa Keil: Yeah. Thank you so much for having me. I’m really excited to talk to you.

Leah Gervais: Yeah, I’m excited too. And the good thing is we’re like best friends, so it can just be a fun conversation. If you guys like go check out Alyssa’s Instagram, it’ll be all like, you know, very, um, very inspiring and uplifting, but we have some files of her at my bachelorette party that the internet probably doesn’t need to see of either of us.

Leah Gervais: Um, anyway. All right. So I couldn’t be more honored that you’re talking to us during this time. At the time of this recording, it’s been about six weeks since the tragic murder of George Floyd. And I know that what you’re doing is not directly in response to that, but I think that it’s an especially powerful time to think about how entrepreneurs listening to this and online business owners can use their platform for more good. So I’d love to hear, I guess, first, you know, a little bit about what the work is you’re doing now and why you think now is a good time and then we’ll rewind a little bit and reverse back. 

Alyssa Keil: Sure. That’s perfect. So, right. So it’s been, you know, over these last few weeks, we’ve seen a lot of social justice movements really rising up, um, and, and making more progress than we’ve seen historically or for a very long time. Um, especially around black lives matter, um, but also around bigger social justice issues. And so, as you mentioned, I’ve sort of had my online business for about a year and a half now, but, but in my nine to five, I’ve always worked in the nonprofit world doing, um, public policy advocacy work for different populations. And so that’s always been a huge passion of mine. Um, and, and while working on my online business, one of the things that I always felt was missing from a lot of businesses and from a lot of content creators platforms, um, is talking about these really important issues that are absolutely impacting their clients, right? And I’ve been extremely impressed and very pleasantly surprised with how many online businesses have kind of come out and to, to take a stand that say that, you know, yes, black lives matter that we need to change how police, um, forces operate. They’ve really been speaking to a lot of these very important issues. Um, but you know, that’s still one issue and it’s not necessarily the issue that’s impacting their clients. And so what I’m, um, working to do is, is to teach online entrepreneurs, um, how to find those issues that are so core to their ideal client’s lives. Um, these external factors that, you know, none of us necessarily have control over, um, and, and help those entrepreneurs kind of build social responsibility and build advocacy around those issues into their business.

Leah Gervais: Hmm, amazing. I obviously am a huge fan of this and I’m excited to kind of pick your brain because I really want to, uh, you know, anyone out there who’s listening. If you are an online entrepreneur, if you are a coach or consultant or you have a platform or an influence of any kind, um, I’m really gonna try to be put myself in your shoes and think, how could I, um, like what, what would stand in my way of doing this really important work and how can you kind of debunk that for us? So before we do that, um, I’d love to just hear a little bit about your background and how you got interested in policy work and advocacy work. And I especially think it’d be useful to hear, you know, kind of your thoughts and experience with how, um, impact on a policy level differs from impact with direct service, which is what a lot of us do. You know, we work directly with our clients. I have like 30 clients at a time, which is very different than literally changing a policy. So go ahead and please to share.

Alyssa Keil: Yeah, that’s a great question. So, um, yeah, so I’ll tie it back to, you know, my experience. So, like I said, I’ve always been in the nonprofit world, um, my entire nine to five career and many nonprofits and what most people think of as a nonprofit is direct service work. So, um, things like food banks, uh, or, um, shelters, those types of things, those are all direct service where you’re working with one-on-one generally or with small groups of people. And yes, you’re making huge impact on those people’s lives. The same with an online business. You know, you’re making an incredible impact on the lives of your clients. I’m doing the same with my clients. Um, but it is really limited to those people that you can work with directly. And so what social responsibility or advocacy does is it allows you to have an impact on people who may be very similar to your clients.

So they’re your ideal client. Um, but you don’t for many different reasons, you may not actually be able to interact with them, but you’re still making a positive change in their life. And so, um, a good example of this could be with health coaches or wellness coaches, something that is probably affecting many people’s health is access to healthcare, right. Um, or to affordable healthcare. And so if you are a wellness coach who has, let’s say 30 clients, like you said, you know, you’re making an incredible impact on their lives, but if you were to start educating on, let’s say your Instagram platform around, um, how healthcare works or how insurance works or how you can access affordable healthcare, even something so simple as saying like, Hey, open enrollment has begun for the affordable care act every year means that you will be making a positive impact on your entire communities, access to health care and health journey, rather than just those 30 clients that you might be working with at a given time. Does that kind of make sense?

Leah Gervais: It’s amazing. It’s so powerful. And it really, um, Highlight… It’s the exciting moment that us as entrepreneurs, especially online entrepreneurs have. And I know that this industry seems kind of isolated. Sometimes it feels like it’s its own little world in some certain ways, but it’s not, it’s the real world and you’re working with real people and their real lives. And how can you use the platforms that you build to amplify that even more?

Alyssa Keil: I think one thing that I have, you know, just loved coming into this online space a bit on a whim, right. Um, you know, that I was sort of like really wanted to be able to do something for myself, um, wanted to, you know, just try something new and challenge myself. And because I knew you so well, I decided to start a business and learn from you. And I have been blown away by the impact that the online coaching world, the online entrepreneurship world does have on the world and the community is that they, they build. And so online entrepreneurs have already done the hardest part of social responsibility advocacy, and that’s building a community who stands behind you in your message. And so if you can then infuse some of this, these greater issues, these bigger issues, um, into that community, I just, we will see progress that is far and away, greater than we’ve ever seen before. It like gives me goosebumps to think about, you know, how much of an impact, um, the online entrepreneurship world and community could have on very important issues. If we just take a few minutes to talk about it really.

Leah Gervais: Amazing. So I kind of want to ask you a little bit of a, um, sideways. I don’t know what I’m trying to say. A little bit of a different angle question. That’s more about entrepreneurship here and your journey. So this wouldn’t be the, your biggest vision show. If I didn’t ask you what scared the shit out of you. So what you did here, um, we’re not going to go too much into, into depth cause I really want to hone in on your message, but you pivoted from your pretty successful, uh, you know, pretty profitable online business that you had. That was always a side hustle. You always did this around your nine to five job into this space of helping online business owners with advocacy and their social responsibility. Um, was that scary? What was that decision? Like? What did you have to work through? How can you help our listeners that want to do something for themselves? And they’re scared.

Alyssa Keil: Yeah, I was definitely scared. So I shared with you before that, um, with my business, I was never really scared of it. I knew I had done very similar work in my nine to five, obviously for a different population because I was in the nonprofit world, but, um, I felt very confident that I could do it. Um, and so there was never any sort of fear around it. I also, um, have always said that I didn’t want to leave the nonprofit world. And so it was very, it was a very safe side hustle for me to have. Um, but with this, this is something that I am so passionate about and would love to spend all of my time doing, uh, social responsibility, advocacy work, um, for the online community. So I think even just that difference of, of really knowing that this is kind of where my heart is and starting to follow, that was much scarier than, um, choosing something that I was like, you know, just very confident I could do in a way that was not really that challenging, if that makes sense.

Um, and I think it was also scary. I, you know, I don’t want to minimize people’s hesitation to talk about these big issues in their businesses, because it is a business you’re trying to make money, especially if you are a full time entrepreneur, you, you know, you it’s, it’s your livelihood. And so I don’t want to minimize, minimize people’s hesitation to start doing this work, but I would also, um, you know, remind people of, or have them kind of remind themselves about why they’ve started their business in the first place. And it was probably to make a huge impact to change people’s lives in a way that they’ve probably, um, you know, needed to change their lives in the past, or were able to change their life in the past for you it’s, you know, with entrepreneurship, um, other people that may be through wellness journeys or financial journeys. Um, and so they want to make an impact, and this is just a way to really amplify that and increase the people that they’re able to touch. Um, and the change they’re able to make. So if it seems scary, um, I would say it’s probably scarier, or hopefully it’s scarier to think about not, not seeing that impact and not having, um, as big of a positive impact as you possibly could have.

Leah Gervais: So, so much wisdom there and so much to unpack. I mean, I think the first thing that you said that is so touching and really hard for people to understand, unless they’ve actually done it, is that when you actually kind of uncover part of your purpose or your whole purpose, and I know that that word might sound a little jargony, but I think everyone knows what I mean when you really have something that feels so true to you. So close to you, you know, and that’s how this feels to you, which your old business never really did. It felt, it felt fine. It was, but it was somewhat neutral. Whereas this is like almost part of you. It’s fucking terrifying to put it out on the line because it’s like, if that, if it doesn’t work, you almost got nothing left because that was what you loved the most, you know, that was like the biggest part of you and all of a sudden, you know, what if that doesn’t work. 

So, I mean, it’s so weird for me to say, I’m proud of you because we’re obviously such good friends and also you’ve done this all, like you’re such a bad ass, but it is amazing to see you really like step into this and, and, and push yourself. And then the second part that I think you really touched on was how, you know, helping entrepreneurs that also might be afraid of this. And before we even get into all the like moral obligations around this, I think that, uh, an important thing for us all to remember is none of us want to build a business that is strictly based on like, what is the least likely to freak us out? And yet, so many of us do so many of us don’t take chances in business or so many of us don’t try new things.

So many of us don’t, you know, try a new launch or whatever, because we’re afraid that it’s going to flop and it’s only human nature, but at the same time, that is 10 out of 10 times, not why you started a business was to really only do things because they felt safe. Like if you wanted that, then you never would have started that to begin with. So really getting comfortable with discomfort will help you here will help you in all elements of your business. And it will help you make decisions from what the vision is not what is safe. So I love everything you said about that. So, um, okay. I’m going to put myself in the shoes of, um, many of our listeners and I just want you to like push right back at me. So I love everything that you’re saying. I care very much about, you know, helping the BLM movement and then now whatever I can with advocacy, it sounds great. I only have a thousand Instagram followers. I don’t have a huge platform. Is this still relevant to me?

Alyssa Keil: Absolutely. So I think, especially as you’re getting started and you have a small platform, social responsibility, we know outside of the online entrepreneur space, we know that, uh, millennials, Gen Z, which are a lot of, or a lot of coaches are, are catering to that, those two generations, right? They really care about supporting businesses, using their money in a way that has a positive impact on the world. And so actually by starting really early and deciding which causes you care about understanding, which causes are impacting your ideal client, especially impacting them negatively, um, means that you’ll be able to create content that is much more relatable to the people that you’re trying to reach and honestly, really increase or really speed up the kind of, um, like, like know trust factor. Um, did I say that in the right order? Yeah, yeah. Really increase that.

You know, if you’re, if you are, um, let’s say for Yulia, um, you know, you’re working with other entrepreneurs. If you were to start talking about, let’s say, um, something that makes leaving your nine to five difficult, I would go back to the health insurance. That’s very expensive when you’re self employed. Right. If you were to start talking about that and not even necessarily saying one way or the other, which policies you support or anything about that, but just talking to the educating folks on what that looks like to make that transition. You know, it lets them know that you not only are saying, Hey, I can teach you how to build a business, but you actively are looking to support them in making that transition in ways that are not directly related to their business. And you care about them in other aspects of their life. Right. Um, so I think it’s especially relevant for people getting started or small coaches, because it, it helps people trust you more.

Leah Gervais: Right. Right. And I would argue that if you have 10 people following you on Instagram, you have influence like any platform is a platform. You know, it might not be as big as some others, but it doesn’t mean that you can change someone’s mind or heart or whatever, you know, thoughts I have. Okay. So great. So my takeaway so far start early and don’t be discouraged by the size quote, size of your following. And to understand that not only is this the right thing to do, it can also help your business with that know, like, and trust factor or expense injection. I already work 25 hours a day. How am I going to have time to implement social responsibility? What for the entrepreneur out there that’s like, I love this idea. How do I create the time? What are the four steps?

Alyssa Keil: Yeah. So this is a great question. And, um, let me take kind of two angles with it. If you are, let’s say you’re still, again, very early on in your business, still a team of one, the easiest things you can do are find relevant news sources and publications that are likely talking about issues relevant to your ideal client. So if you’re a money coach that may be, um, something like mike.com, um, money and financial column, which is an extremely, it’s a, it’s a progressive online publication, but they talk a lot about money and finances. Um, so finding that or, um, for a wellness or health coach finding some sort of news outlet that talks about, you know, especially maybe you’re working with single moms, maybe talks about, um, maternal health, that type of thing, finding relevant news sources, and then sort of just, just as you would, any other type of business education setting aside, maybe 20 minutes a week to just review the articles it’s super easy and it starts to build your knowledge around issues.

Um, and then you can start talking about them with clients. Um, and then, um, kind of the other end of the spectrum, if you are full time, you have a big team. This may not be something that you, as the CEO take on yourself, right. You can absolutely have a VA or some, or, and, um, some sort of staff member, a team member taking this on to set up Google alerts for certain, or, um, or just diving into yeah. Again, news sources. Um, those are very easy lifts to start educating yourself on what might be relevant to your ideal client, the other way to kind of everyone, regardless how you can start thinking about what causes are relevant, um, and might work for, for your clients is just to think about what their life looks like outside of things they can control. Right. Um, or, or just external factors in general.

So for example, if you, um, I mean, I technically still live in New York city. I haven’t been there for awhile and you were in the air, but so let’s say, um, our ideal clients are people living in New York city or very large urban areas, um, a particular cause that might be relevant or, or social responsibility, um, sort of sector that might be relevant is, um, like green, environmentalism or, um, sustainability around public transportation. Like we might, we might care about that. I’m not, I’m just, you know, kind of spitballing here, but thinking about what else your, your ideal clients are dealing with, or what affects their life as a good place to kind of start brainstorming what social responsibility or advocacy issues might be important to them. Um, similarly, if you’re working with moms, something that is very important to them is probably, uh, paid maternity leave or access to childcare, those types of things, um, that they may be struggling with.

Leah Gervais: Oh, this is so good. Alyssa, I’m like frivolously taking notes because I want to do, like, I love how actionable this is. Even just things like Google alerts, like that’s such a no brainer. Um, okay. So this is kinda my last, this isn’t really an objection, but I just want everyone to walk away. Well, first of all, everyone should go to your webinar. Do you want to pull your webinar really quick? And then I’ll ask you my final question.

Alyssa Keil: Yeah, absolutely. So I’m having, um, a webinar or masterclass, July 29th at 1:00 PM Eastern time to kind of go over social responsibility and advocacy in your online business, um, at a base level to really go much deeper into all of these kinds of, um, easy action steps you can take and what the next, the next step might be. Um, for folks who are really serious about using their businesses to make a huge impact in the world, which I know is it’s most of us who have online businesses, that’s why we want to do this.

Leah Gervais: Right. Amazing. And where can people find that?

Alyssa Keil: So they can find that on my Instagram is Alyssa_Keil_ .There’s a link right in my bio.

Leah Gervais: Amazing. Okay, great. So the last thing, first of all, everyone should go sign up for Alyssa’s webinar. And then I would just love to hear, um, for, you know, businesses that are really like outcome driven or they just kind of like having things sort of checked off. I mean, I know that’s complicated with something like this, which is an extreme social science. Um, but what would you say are maybe a good first, uh, go like output goals to have? Is it like you post once a month on Instagram, like making really clear what your outcome is? Do you publish on your website? Like what would be some outcomes?

Alyssa Keil: I think the base one is you want to be educated yourself, right. And so, you know, there is, as you’re starting to work on things like social responsibility or learning about public policy issues, there is no urgency. Like there’s not a lot of pressure to immediately go public with this. You want to really understand the issue and you want to understand your opinion on the issue before you decide to say one thing or the other. Right. Um, so I would say initially milestone would be something like Google alerts or have, or choosing a couple of news sources that you check regularly and building that into either your weekly biweekly schedule and, um, sort of how you can say you’re ready to maybe move on to actually posting regularly. Talking about this regularly, um, is have one issue again, no pressure to decide on every single advocacy or social responsibility issue that’s relevant to your ideal client.

Um, you can really just choose one and that’ll still, you know, you’ll still make incredible strides and have really good impact from that. Um, so once you feel like you can explain that issue in your own words, and you can explain how it impacts your ideal client, not necessarily how it impacts someone who has nothing in common with your ideal client, but that that’s great. If you can see many, many sides to the issue, but once you can actually explain how it affects your ideal client in your own words, then, you know, you can move on to creating Instagram posts, graphics about this and, or, you know, sharing your opinion, sharing how your ideal client can navigate the issue. Um, it’s kind of like the next step from there. Um, so yeah, just, yeah, the minimum would be kind of finding news, setting up Google or some way to get information consistently.

Um, and then just kind of jumping to the completely, other end of the spectrum would be some, you know, like actually having training, whether it’s public trainings or just, um, you know, building it into your programs or building it into your client work, um, educating folks on it because when you educate one person on this, they likely know other people who are similar to them. Right. And then there’ll be able to take that education elsewhere as well. So those are kind of the two, um, spectrums, I would say, like really kind of passively learning to, to embedding it absolutely 100% into your services.

Leah Gervais: Hmm. This is so inspiring. And I just hope that everyone out there really kind of takes this to heart and, you know, I don’t want to project my own experience on to everyone out there, but I know that, um, that I don’t even know where to begin with this. Um, George Floyd’s murder was beyond traumatic and I know a lot of people felt very paralyzed about what to do, how to do more, how can we help more? How can we do more? How can we do things in ways that feel good, but like nothing about this feels good. It was a very complicated thing to navigate. And I think that, um, though Alyssa is, you know, talking about things that are important independent of that, and, and that that happened. Um, if you would all resonate with that kind of, um, hole, you know, during that time to try to do more and not know how to at all, this is an actionable way to do it and the work’s not done, the work is kind of ongoing, but just having that commitment.

And, um, I, you know, I think that there’s so much more to this also then even just the advocacy work. There’s also the, the kind of micro impact of like you connecting to your purpose and you connecting to why you started this business in the first place, and you did not start this business to schedule 15 million Facebook ads a week, or, you know, write all these sales emails or like all the things that we really do get caught in the day to day. And Alyssa is so right that you, you did it because you care about these things, you care about helping other people and changing their lives and changing your own life. And maybe you did see your own life changed in this way. Um, and I just think it’s so beautiful that you are bringing this to the online business world and, and giving people that opportunity. And I hope every single one of you out there, um, take some little nugget of what she said today, first of all, sign up for her webinar, but also, you know, schedule time in your calendar to start reading about this, or create a Google alert or talk to someone about it, Dan, Melissa, like, I’m sure she’ll talk to you. Um, but yeah, so this was really beautiful. Is there like any kind of final things you want to say? 

Um, I think I would just add too to what you just said, you know, um, George Floyd’s murder and the protests and the uprising that has happened since, since his murder have been, um, you know, so necessary and there’s been a lot of success and I’ve been really proud of all of the online coaches who have really showed up to, um, to speak about these issues. And I think what we need to remember and understand is that George Floyd and other people of color, black people primarily suffer these types of injustices because of racism and inequity and injustice in all areas of our country. Right? And so I absolutely want people to keep talking about black lives matter, keep saying that change needs to happen. Um, with, with police. I also want people to understand that you have an incredible opportunity to start talking about how racism, sexism, classism, transphobia, all of those things are likely embedded in the area that your business operates, right? So money or finances, all of those types of oppression are embedded in our financial system. They’re embedded in our health system. And so, you know, I want people to keep talking about this and learn how it affects their, their clients specifically, because if we can all work on that in our own way, then we will stop seeing these really terrible, or, you know, hopefully we will stop seeing these really terrible outcomes from injustice across our, our lives and our world.

Leah Gervais: Right. I think I need to be careful here cause I know you and I could talk about this for literally hours, but I think that, um, you know, unless, so for any of us that are small business owners, definitely me included, and this is something I have a little bit of shame around because I actually am lucky enough to be relatively educated in racial equity work because I happened, like I just was really lucky, the job that I had before I went out on my own heavily invested in us, learning about really what it, what that meant. And, um, you know, what I need to be honest with myself about. And we all do is that unless you really actively have worked to build a business that does not include all those things. If you’ve built a business by default, it is a discriminatory business.

And that doesn’t mean you’re a bad person. It doesn’t mean you’re a racist person. It doesn’t mean anything about you. It just is the way that our country is set up and that these systems are set up. And so this is your opportunity and you nearly do have an obligation to kind of try to start, you know, thinking about this differently, using your platform in ways that really align with what you do want. And I’m sure you didn’t want to build a business that has some of these traits, and this is kind of that step. And the last thing I’ll say is that I also think that, you know, part of, um, the frustration that I think a lot of people I do have social media platforms fell after George Floyd’s murder was that it felt so reactive. Like literally a guy had to be brutally murdered for everyone to kind of care this much or uproar this much. And I think that, you know what you’re doing now with entrepreneurs to embed this into their business means that you’re on the proactive side. It means that you’re not just having to show up when something traumatizing happens. You’re there from day one. And that’s what this is all about.

Alyssa Keil: Yeah, no, you’re exactly right. I think like we talked about, um, you can start from the beginning, um, but one, you won’t have to be reactive. You won’t have to come out with an apology or a statement or something, um, when an event happens. Um, but even bigger than that is if we all work on these issues together, these events will happen less. 

Leah Gervais: Right. The thing that’s actually more important is that change will happen. 

Alyssa Keil: Yes, it’s both of those things, but right. If we, if we’re proactive and we learn how all of these different systems and issues are affecting all of us, then we can, we can make a change. And like I said, you know, online business owners, I’ve already done the hardest part, which is building a community that believes in their message. So it’s just, it’s just taking it one step further.

Leah Gervais: Amazing. Well, thank you so much for doing this work, Alyssa, thank you so much for bringing your expertise into this world. Thank you for sharing this with us today. I have a few entrepreneur, your biggest vision questions for you. Are you ready?

Alyssa Keil: I’m ready. 

Awesome. Business. Number two casually, while you still have your prestigious nine to five job, it’s no big deal. What, as, as an entrepreneur, what is your go to when your business isn’t going your way, you’re having a crappy day? 

Um, it’s definitely to remind myself of why I started and to, and to do the things in my business that I really like doing. And generally, honestly, generally that comes back to researching. So in my past business, which was money coaching, you know, I would read a lot of articles about finances just because, um, education is very inspiring to me. Um, and then with this business, you know, it’s reading about policy and advocacy and looking at the wins that you can see from that. Um, I think that’s always hugely inspirational is to, to remind myself of not only why I started, but what can happen if I keep going. 

Leah Gervais: Hmm, amazing. I love it. Um, what is your so far proudest moment in your entrepreneurial journey? 

Alyssa Keil: Honestly, my proudest moment is probably, well, my proudest moment was probably starting. Um, just because I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately that like we mentioned earlier, you know, my original business was not, I liked it, but it was not my purpose. It wasn’t my calling. But I wouldn’t have gotten to where I am now, which is realizing what I really want to do and what my purpose is if I wouldn’t have started and, and put myself into this kind of online entrepreneurship world. So I think I’m, I’m proud of starting, but I’m also, um, very proud of making this pivot because it was scary. 

Leah Gervais: Yeah. It’s incredible. So brave. Um, do you have, if you had to pick kind of like one business resource or book or educational thing that has really helped you, do you have one that comes to mind? 

Alyssa Keil: Um, yeah, I would say your programs.

Leah Gervais: Aww, thank you. 

Alyssa Keil: I’ve done pretty much every one of Leah’s programs and they’ve always been, you know, that’s, what’s kept me going too is having you in my corner. Um, keeping me accountable, teaching me everything I need to know. Um, so that’s absolutely number one. I would say what was my favorite program? I really liked Scale Your Side Hustle. So I did it twice. Actually. It’s a good one. And then a more passive one. Um, I would probably say, um, actually, so this is related, this is actually applicable to both. If I can talk about another podcast, that’s not necessarily related to, um, to, uh, entrepreneurship per se, but that with money, um, with Gaby, Dunn is a podcast. That’s about money, but it’s also extremely political. And so that was something kind of goes back to your original or your, your last question too, about what’s inspirational to me. Um, that podcast has always been something where I’ve gotten a ton of education and really like reminded myself why I should keep going with original business and also this current one. 

Leah Gervais: Awesome. I love that. I love your perspective there about like, reminding yourself, like what’s the big picture here that we’re working toward. Um, okay. And then where can people find you? I know you said your Instagram, is that where the place is right now? 

Alyssa Keil: Yep. And then, um, I have a very basic website right now, AlyssaKeil.com and my instagram is Alyssa_Keil_

Leah Gervais: Excellent. All right. Well, once again, everyone, I really encourage you to go sign up for this webinar, even if you’re just starting out. Even if you are in your, if even if it’s just a twinkle in your eye, your business, and you’re listening to this, if you at all want to be, you know, if you at all want to explore how you can make a bigger difference with your business in ways that really don’t cost you anything, then you have absolutely nothing to lose by going to learn from Alyssa. She’s hugely inspirational. She knows her stuff. Um, so I really encourage you to go sign up for that. And if you’re listening to this episode after her webinar, just, I’m going to just volunteer you Alyssa, for people to DM you. She’s super nice and helpful, and I’m sure she’ll point you in the right direction. Yeah. 

Alyssa Keil: Thank you so much for having me. 

Leah Gervais: Thanks so much for doing this Alyssa. I really appreciate you being here. I really appreciate what you’re doing with the world. You are just the best, and I know that everyone is going to love this episode.

Alyssa Keil: Thanks. 

Leah Gervais: Thanks. Alright, visionaries, I’ll talk to you soon. I hope you’re inspired by this. I hope it gives you a little pep in your step to remember that what you’re doing is probably bigger than you, and it really can have the power to be. So, uh, which is really the coolest part of this all. And hopefully this was a step in the right direction. We will always be fighting for your biggest vision.

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