Shannon’s Website: https://www.lovestrengthandgrace.com/

Leah Gervais: Hey visionaries. Welcome back to the, your biggest vision show and the technical final episode of the series that I have cultivated this year on, uh, entrepreneurship and motherhood today, I am truly honored to have Shannon McGorry with us. Shannon is a former client of mine and a dear friend and someone that means a lot to me. Um, and I look up to her a lot as a mother and as a coach. Um, and so we’re really lucky to have her, and there’s so many different facets that Shannon’s going to help us think about when it comes to motherhood, balancing motherhood and entrepreneurship, because she herself is a single mom, a mother of two, and works with moms. So thank you so much for being here.

Shannon McGorry: Oh my gosh. It’s my pleasure. And my honor, and I’m, wouldn’t be here without you, and that can not go without being said that you have been monumental and instrumental in me building my business and being able to do something I’m so passionate about. So thank you very much.

Leah Gervais: Oh, that is so sweet of you to say my, my true pleasure. So at the time of this, uh, release, I will be potentially in labor potentially literally giving birth or either close to, or maybe just have, so I will probably relisten to this and I couldn’t think of something more timely. So let’s start with you and your story. I’d love to go back a little bit to your journey to motherhood. Did you always know you wanted to be a mother and what did you think motherhood? How did you think that would play in your life and in your career at the time?

Shannon McGorry: Yeah, sure. So family has always been one of my biggest values and something that I I’m truly honored in life. And so I grew up as one of five kids. I always knew I wanted to be a mom and really thought that that was going to take center stage in my life. Um, and so it was something I always desired, always, you know, just new, I guess, or took for granted that it would be a piece of my life story and I’m so grateful. Okay.

Leah Gervais: Okay. And just to make clear for everyone, because I don’t think I properly said it before you are a women’s empowerment coach and a divorce coach at this point.

Shannon McGorry: Yes. So I work with really two populations of women. Some of these women are navigating divorce and other women are really just focused on creating their best life. So I call those, those clients, my empowerment clients, because they’re really looking to create a life they love and sometimes just hit a little roadblock or a speed bump. And, um, how do I do that? So yes, they work with, with those women and then also women who are navigating divorce because I too have been in those shoes. Um, unfortunately went through a divorce myself and it’s a tricky, tricky time to navigate. There’s a lot, um, that goes into it. And a lot of it that’s really under indescribable or inexplainable. Um, and so having someone who can be your, your kind of accountability partner and help you navigate that path, um, is very valuable.

Leah Gervais: Uh, I cannot, I can only imagine. So when you got pregnant or when you started trying to get pregnant, whenever you kind of consider your motherhood journey to have begun, you did not. Thank you. You did not know you were going to become an entrepreneur and you certainly did not know you were going to become a divorce coach.

Shannon McGorry: No, definitely not. I saw myself as being, like I said, my kids being center stage and probably the one and only act in my life. Um, so it came as a big surprise and a big shock and a big shift in life when, um, we did divorce. And then I would say the second piece that came into play was when I really had this calling to start my own business, because that’s a whole different level of balancing a professional identity and a personal identity or your role as a mom. Um, so yes, when, when we were married and we had, I have two girls, um, when we had our first, I had been working at a university, stepped back and still consulted from home so that I could be very present for her. And did that, you know, in the hours when she was napping, for those of you that have little ones, you know, those are treasured moments, treasured hours where you can, you know, do the things that, um, gets you get sidelined for a little bit.

Shannon McGorry: o yeah, I consulted from home for a while when she was little and then my girls are only 18 months apart, 18 months and one week, so they’re real close and I ended up, um, we ended up getting pregnant with our second pretty quickly. And so I didn’t feel like I could juggle two under two and consulting, uh, at the same time. So then I really just became a stay at home and work mom, um, which I was thrilled to do to be able to spend those moments with them and, um, juggle, you know, the twists and turns of their schedules and them being little. And, um, just kind of what life throws at you was, was really where I was happy and wanted to be.

Leah Gervais: So there was no, um, internal conflict or tension around, uh, shifting from working to motherhood at that time. That was not something that you struggled with?

Shannon McGorry: Not at that time, that came back, came later.

Leah Gervais: Okay. Okay. So, um, there, there might not be anything more to say here because I know that your experience is what you obviously, you’re going to feel most comfortable talking about, but just curious with the clients that you work with now that either are going through divorce or, um, that, that you work with from the empowerment standpoint, is, is there any words of wisdom around navigating that, is this something that you see hard for women to navigate the tension between working and staying home, the want to stay at home, but can’t, or the want to work like can, is there anything around that, that you have any words of wisdom on?

Shannon McGorry: Absolutely too strong thoughts come to mind, Leah, because I think in the world we live in whether it’s social media messages or just a corporate environment or society in general, there’s that message that you can have it all and you can do it all. And with that subtitle, that’s kind of invisible is and make it look easy. And there’s no like, uh, you know, no challenge to that. Like it’s just something that happens and it’s tough. Like let’s just call it what it is. Yeah. You didn’t have it all, but you have to identify what it is. I, my caveat would be, you can have what you desire if you choose to create it and put the actions and habits behind it, that gets you those results, um, and really becomes an internal job because it’s hard to drown out those external voices, those should, and those that’s what my mom did or that’s what my friends do.

Shannon McGorry: Um, and really just harness the internal power to what’s necessary in your life. And maybe it’s financially driven. Maybe it’s emotionally driven, maybe it’s based on what you need to do intellectually or any other reason, but let’s make it yours. And let’s tie into that because those external voices don’t live your life. And so if you’re moving to please them, you may end up with that dissatisfied. Whereas my purpose feeling or that conflict that you talked about, I should do this, but I really want to do that. Um, and it takes a pause. It takes a minute to take a step back and say, evaluate where you’re at, where you want to be and how you’re going to get there, because it is a balancing act. It is, it does take energy and effort just in the transition. 

When I go from full on entrepreneur, working with my clients to the time that I know the bus is going to drop the girls off, there’s a 10 minute transition in there where I’m literally changing my clothes. Sometimes changing my frame of mind. I’m in a different Headspace, I’m in a different emotional space and that energy, um, it doesn’t just happen. It’s not easy, but it’s doable. And it’s very rewarding. It just I’ve found in needs to be an individual approach.

Leah Gervais: Yeah, well, so many, so many nuggets of wisdom there, and I love that you pointed that out and that you experienced that transition and that you honor it, because I was just telling my husband yesterday, how I’ve been surprised personally, you know, I’m still at the time of this recording. I’m 33 weeks pregnant. Um, and I’ve been surprised at the challenge that I’ve had to even transition from like baby preparation to working right now. Um, like it’s a full on energy shift and it’s a little tiring. Like it’s not, you know, just like, um, like before I got pregnant, if I had just had personal things to do, like I needed to order groceries or I needed to run an errand or I needed to work out or whatever, I could just do that within my work to do lists seamlessly. And without any energetic shift or any energetic drain, I find I can’t do it with pregnancy.

Like if I need to do something that’s preparing for the baby, like something for the nursery or, um, I’m taking, you know, a birthing class or even just like, I’m trying to do some things I I’m like already in nursing mode and like preparing for, um, you know, his announcements or whatever. I like, I almost have to do them on separate days because they take almost this like huge amount of just energy that is different than I’ve tried to see it as a positive, because I feel like it’s my brain’s way of doing one and doing it all at a time. And like kind of trying to protect myself from not getting into overwhelm or getting into being spread too thin. But I’ve very much noticed that like the attention that I’m putting toward my baby and toward my health and my pregnancy has a different amount of weight and demands a different amount of attention from me than other personal things in my life in the past. So I’m glad to know that I’m not alone one and experiencing that need for the transition. And I liked that. You’ve said you even kind of honor it and like schedule it out in your day.

Shannon McGorry: Absolutely. And it’s not surprising to hear you say that, Leah, especially because something like this, this is your first pregnancy, so it’s new. So there’s no muscle memory to default to, to like throw your yoga clothes on and go do your handstands. That’s your body. And your brain know how to do that, but this is the new space for you. And so it’s going to require more energy. And sometimes that doesn’t just flip on a switch, especially knowing you the way that I do and how much you care, you’re going to put every effort into both of your worlds. So yeah, you’re not alone in that. There’s us, that, that, um, face that challenge and it does help to recognize it and call it what it is.

Leah Gervais: Yeah. Right, right. No, I appreciate, I really appreciate that. I think that’s a beautiful point that I didn’t know how to articulate until you just did. And the other point that I love that you said is that, um, you can’t have it all. I agree with that. I think, you know, that you can’t have it all for whatever it all is for you, not whatever it all is for society or for your mother-in-law or for your partner even, or for anyone else, whatever that is for you. And having to take the time to define that and to continually evaluate it and to continually tweak it and it, and it does take, it does take a lot of courage and dedication. Otherwise it’s very easy to get swallowed up in the busy-ness and to do of your life. But I love your approach that, you know, you, you don’t have to buy into the idea that you just can’t do it all.

Shannon McGorry: No, and I love what you said about the re-evaluation part because we have these chapters of life and what I could do when my kids were, you know, newborns and from the consulting perspective versus what I was choosing to do when they were toddlers versus what I’m able to do now that they’re teenagers. Those are very different hours for me, like just logistically, um, because of the time that they’re in the house or out of the house or the time they’re in activities or the time they’re waking or sleeping, those are all very different. And so then my business is either going to lead and my personal life will fit into it, or my personal life is going to lead and I will mold my business into what I want it and need it to be based on those. And so I struggled personally with those, you know, this well, those dual priorities of like, I want to be present for my girls.

I am not going to miss these life moments. And I want to build a business and help other women fulfill their desires and navigate divorce or whatever other speed bumps they’ve hit in life that has them desiring a new chapter. And there was so much school of thought for myself that it was either or, and so using that word and, and figuring out how to blend them, it’s not a one and done, it’s a continuation of, oh, okay. Now we’re in summer. So what does that look like? Oh, now we’re in middle school, so the hours are different. Okay. Now we have this. And so it is that constant, as you said, re-evaluation, um, to make it work for you.

Leah Gervais: Right. Right. Oh, so good. So, um, continuing with your timeline. So you become a mother to two beautiful girls. You make that your priority, you are very happy to step away from, or I shouldn’t say separately from the, I guess, pause for lack of a better phrase, work for a little while. And, and then your divorce happens and everything kind of blows up.

Shannon McGorry: Absolutely. And so at that point, it became a necessity to reevaluate, as I was just saying reevaluate, where I was, and it wasn’t that my priorities changed of being present for the girls, but my future looked very different at that point. Um, so I needed to make some changes. So I actually, um, had an amazing experience with a marriage and family therapist when I was moving through my divorce and I had a strong calling to help other women. So we moved, um, the girls and I moved 1200 miles through the divorce. I started full-time graduate work at the time. They were little littles and it was kind of insane. Uh, I, you know, studying at two in the morning for your masters is probably not the way to go when you’re a single mom adjusting to a totally new space. So, um, I ended up taking a pause on that and my, um, when God closes a door, he opens a window.

Shannon McGorry: And so the window to life coaching just presented itself. And so I worked to receive my certification. It was like about a year long program. Um, and then it was just like literally dominoes now, not to say everything just magically appeared because I was seeking it out. And I was not strong mindset of what I wanted to do and what I desired from life. And so then I would, you know, attend entrepreneurial programs, masterminds, hire a life coach, or hire a business coach such as you and build those building blocks to move towards what I desired, um, on an intentional continual basis. 

I couldn’t be more satisfied, more blessed in what I’m able to do day to day. And that’s not to say every day is seamless or perfect, or I don’t get impatient with the girls or that I’m not overbooked some days with clients. Um, but I am truly, I’ve created the life that I want, which if you had asked me, um, say 15, 20 years ago, if this is where I thought I would be, I would say, oh my gosh, no, like that vision was completely different. Um, but the feelings that I have now and the life that I’ve created and what I’m able to be and do with, and for the girls and within for my clients is, um, something better than what I could have was imagining.

Leah Gervais: Oh, so beautiful. And I, and I can really attest to the way that you are, you really put your money where your mouth is and, and you really walk your walk in the sense that you are constantly reevaluating your values. And you’re constantly asking yourself, is this business decision? This is, this, this might help my business, but is this what I want for my girls? And the other way around this might be the right thing for my personal life, but what about my clients? And you are like willing to have those hard conversations sometimes with yourself, um, to make sure that you’re not doing something that’s out of alignment. And I think that you really, um, I wish more people did business like you did, because I think that with social media and in coaching and in the online business world and in entrepreneurship, there’s almost this like pressure or assumption that everyone is in it to make as much money as they can, or to live as lavishly as they can.

And there’s nothing wrong with that. I mean, I, you know, I’m very open about my income and how I’ve been able to scale that. But, um, my, my, why has always been, and I think it should be for everyone that your business should be there to support the life that you want and to really drive your purpose and passion. And that, that looks different for everyone that doesn’t need you, that doesn’t need you meet. That doesn’t mean you need a team of 20 people that doesn’t need mean that doesn’t mean that you need to work 100 hours a week. That doesn’t mean that you have to hustle like crazy. And I, you know, really don’t desire a lot of those things personally. And it’s, it’s had to take time for me to realize like that doesn’t make me a failure or that doesn’t make my business less than, and I feel like you’ve really stuck with your business as the vehicle for the life that you want. And, um, I think, I think more, I wish more people did. I think it’s amazing that you’ve done that. 

Shannon McGorry: Thank you. I very much appreciate that.

Leah Gervais: Yeah, of course. And, and you’ve been able to be very successful with it. It’s not like you had to sacrifice your own success.

Shannon McGorry: No. And I love the women that I work with and I find that in them too, when you present them with that opportunity to create what works for them, it’s like this light bulb goes off. Like we write me what, and you go through all these objections that they’ve told themselves about why they can’t. And when you start to break those down and people can step into that possibility, even like simple, simple, but really powerful things that I do with clients, just identifying their values and like, okay, those things are important to you. Great. Maybe there’s five, maybe there’s 50. What are you doing every day? Every week, every month to honor those values. And it’s like a mic drop moment. Like, um, okay, so there’s the disconnect. This is a bright, but you’re not actually doing anything with it. So you can create those small shifts. It just is this possibility that people can, can walk right into.

Leah Gervais: Right, right, right. Uh, so good. So, um, when you went through your divorce, I know that was a very hard time in your life for you. And that, that obviously it’s probably a very hard time in, uh, in many people’s lives as they go through something like that. And your girls were still young and you moved all the way across the country and you start exploring your masters and start exploring coaching. Um, where did that poll come from? Do you think, especially considering you had been a stay at home mom for so many years, and now you had even more on your plate as a mother, because you were more alone and you were doing this, you know, without that partner. Um, and did you experience guilt with that? How did you navigate the pull to like put more on your plate during probably the most overwhelming time in your life?

Shannon McGorry: Yeah, absolutely. I think it came from that moment. I call it like my moment of choice, where I could just stay kind of stuck in that chapter. And for me it was divorced. But for someone else that may be a job that they just are resigned to. It may be a family responsibility or situation that they feel like they should be upholding. Whatever that moment is. I could choose to stay stuck in it. And just like, this is my lot in life and make my decisions and playing small, or I could say like, okay, I have to work to accept this reality, which was not easy. Um, and go after or start to reinvent my life. Redivide redefine myself. And what are those goals and aspirations now that the playing field is different, that the circumstances are different. And what was important to me was figuring out the things that lit me up.

And so, you know, not to go through the whole list, but one of them is using the gifts that God has given me. And so if I can help another woman, who’s challenged with something that I may have even a little bit of insight on, or little bit of ability to help with that. I feel strongly about that. I also felt strongly about showing my daughters that they can follow their own path. That, and being a mother is amazing, but if there is something unique to them that they have gifts or passions or something that they want to put out into the world, then by all means, let nothing hold you back. 

So, um, it was really important to me, both of those things to use my gifts, to show them what’s possible. And also, I guess, in a, in kind of a sense of self centered way, I knew what I was capable of. And I wanted to use that creativity. And I wanted something, I guess, the creation part of, you know, the business and helping other women and getting to know other women and hearing other people’s stories. And that whole personal side was really appealing to me. So that was the third strong draw.

Leah Gervais: Did you have any hesitations or experience any guilt?

Shannon McGorry: Oh gosh. Yes. Uh, buckets fall and I still do at times, you know? Um, and so one thing that I would share with others that I found helpful is how can you show those people? Because it’s always, there, there is always that opportunity cost, right? Like I could X, Y, Z with my girls or X, Y, Z, and my business, like time is dying. And at some point it is a choice of what you’re going to do. And so if, and when I choose to do something professionally and they maybe feel like they’re taking the back seat, maybe they’re like, heck yeah, mom’s going to be in her office. I can bake cookies or do whatever I want to do on supervised, which is probably more often the case, but I try to show them, give them some sort of insights so they can understand what I’m doing.

Shannon McGorry: So do they get to see what the coding looks like on my website? Do they get to listen to a podcast that I was on? Do they hear, you know, part of a story or something from my day that gives them that little bit of insight so that I don’t just go behind this door and they see like the brand name of my business, but they don’t really get it. And I think sharing those little bits makes it more personal and it gives them that window into it and helps them understand, oh, okay, got it. Like, this is important to her. And here’s why here’s what she likes about it. And in doing that, they get to know me better too.

Leah Gervais: Right. That’s great advice, like include your kids in the experience and be kind of all in it together. Right. As a, as a family. Um, yeah, no, I love that. And, okay. So going through that, um, tell me a little bit about the logistics of, of, of doing it all the way that you do of having two girls. Like, what are your tips on time management on outsourcing help? Um, how do you, how can women start thinking about how, how they can get things off their plates, especially women that own businesses?

Shannon McGorry: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, so the first really simple, but powerful thing is going to be the schedule. So I do with most of my clients, like outline it, and it seems like elementary, but what are your waking hours? What hours are you going to bed? Where are your parental responsibilities? What are the other things that are the, on the half to side? And then what hours are left? What are you doing with those hours? And we’re actually going to calendar them and schedule them. Um, and we incorporate that with their to-do lists. So daily stuff, weekly stuff, monthly stuff, and then the quarterly or three months, you know, to dues that they have out there. Um, because some of the challenge can be what we spoke on earlier, which is that energetic transition. Okay, I’m going to go do XYZ personal and I’m back to my desk professional and we lose track of that energy drain.

So if we block the time and schedule the tasks that allows us to be a mom when we need to be a mom and to be the entrepreneur or the business woman when we’re required or choose to do that as well. So I think scheduling is the, is the first big piece. Secondly, is the communication to openly communicate. Here’s what I’m going to do today, or here’s where I’m going to be for the next X amount of time. If you need something, do you need anything ahead of that? If the kids are home with you or it’s a weekend and you need to get a couple of things off your plate, um, allows you a little bit more of that preserved boundary then to co-mingle the two together. Um, and I think the third thing I would say is to know yourself, when do you work best? When are you most productive? What do you need to do to be prepared in both spaces? And how can you allocate time for that as well?

Leah Gervais: I love that answer. I mean, I love all of that, but I think that that third one is so important. I, you know, I’m not a mother yet, but I do get asked a lot about how I’ve run my business and how I’ve built my business and how, um, you know, how I prioritize things. And sometimes I feel like I’ve been reflecting on this more lately. There’s an element of personal responsibility that I feel like we as a society don’t take on enough, that really comes with just knowing thyself, knowing your strengths, knowing when you’re triggered, knowing when you’re the most productive knowing when you need to rest and just using those things to your advantage, right?

 Let’s giving yourself permission to not look at everyone else’s morning routine or everyone else’s, uh, you know, Q3 plan or everyone else’s budget. And just realizing like, you can do this on your own. No, you and know that if someone else does it that way and it works for them and it doesn’t work for you, that doesn’t mean you’re a failure that might just mean that you need to take another minute journal about it, maybe observe yourself for another week and think, how can I do this the way I want to do. And it really is such a freeing and beautiful thing, but we really aren’t taught those tools ever.

Shannon McGorry: No, absolutely not. And I think you make a great point and it also makes me think is the second time you brought up the word failure and we have like, think research says 80,000 thoughts a day and 80% of them are negative. And so if we could even harness that beast of, instead of it being a failure, like, okay, um, one of my daughter’s teachers would call it a beautiful loops, like, okay, that was a beautiful, oops, that one didn’t work. So now I’m learning from that. And next time I am going to outsource my social media stuff, or I am going to hire someone to do the coding on the website because it took me far too long and I got frustrated and it wasn’t fun for me, or it wasn’t financially responsible of me to do it that way. Um, and so I think, you know, to our point knowing yourself, and if you don’t know yet how you going, gonna learn and how are you going to figure it out? You’re going to try and assess how it went.

Leah Gervais: Right, right. And how committed to being like how committed to it are you and how okay. Are you with being uncomfortable, not knowing those things at first and like allowing yourself to make those beautiful oopses and allowing them to be done with grace and allowing them to not have any meaning. It really is just about permission.

Shannon McGorry: It is Leah, and I think it’s such a valid point that you bring out because there is so much information out there about, you know, a free webinar or a PDF or a follow this plan or whatever it is. And that’s great information. And there’s so many amazing resources that we can tap into to learn the things that we don’t yet know. But I think the big other piece of the puzzle is how do you personalize it for you and for your business? Because that’s, when else is life, that’s someone else’s business based on their strengths, their clientele, their circumstances. And so how do we figure it out within our world?

Leah Gervais: I agree. I agree. I think that that’s a great way to put it. Um, okay. Well, this has been so helpful and so enlightening, and I think that you’ve given a great mix of like the internal check-ins that women can do. Mothers can do as well as the external tips about how to allow yourself, you know, the space to be both and have both hats and allow that to not only to not always be easy and allow that to be challenging. Um, what would you say is the most, this is, this is the question I really want to hear your answer to how has motherhood and how have your children and how do you think motherhood and children for other women can actually make them better entrepreneurs in a world where let’s face it? 

It’s almost seen as a weakness. I had, Shannon, I had someone tell me that, uh, basically tell me that she wouldn’t join one of my programs while I was on maternity leave, which I was so hurt by and just got like completely appalled by, but really realize that that’s still the view. A lot of people have, you know, we live in a very patriarchal society where women are more or less like held to the standard of doing it all, um, to a fault where if you can’t then you’re, then you’re not doing it right. Or whatever the case may be. So how can we flip that? How has being a mother, even, maybe you and how do you think women can find it as a string?

Shannon McGorry: So just to clarify the question, how has motherhood empowered me to be an entrepreneur? Is that, is that what you’re asking?

Leah Gervais: How has it made you a better entrepreneur than you think you would’ve been, if you weren’t a mother? Not that, not that there’s any shame to women who don’t want to be mothers, but I’m just curious to hear the other perspective.

Shannon McGorry: Yeah. I think, um, in my world, Leah, it’s twofold first would be, my daughters are a strong life for me about why I do what I do. One because, um, it shows them what’s possible when you use what you’re given and you have a desire to put something out into the world. And so they can see the value of hard work. They can see me being lit up about something. They have exposure to another facet of life that they wouldn’t have. If I didn’t do what I do, um, I think it gives them the value sense of money. And so all of those things are very strong. Why for me, because I want to show them through my example, what’s possible. And I also want them to experience things in life and see the work that goes behind them in order to make those happen.

The second thing would be, um, the women who I work with, um, with there was like an adage in coaching school that said everyone is the coach and the teacher. And I will say whether it’s you as my coach or client as my client. Um, the things that I learned from the women that I’m surrounded by are invaluable. And they make me think differently. They make me love differently. They make me act differently. And so it makes me appreciate my motherhood more because it’s such a big piece of my life. And I’m so grateful that I’m able to be their mom, um, and to, to serve in that role of love and example for them. And so the perspective that my business provides, it goes both ways. If that makes sense.

Leah Gervais: Yeah. Yeah. That’s such a beautiful answer. And I really love how you have always reminded yourself and remembered the, the way that your business is inspiring your girls and the way that your, your sense of purpose is teaching them and inspiring them. And I think that, um, I mean, you can correct me if I’m wrong and I don’t mean to project onto you, but whether for you, or for someone else that should mitigate a hell of a lot of the guilt that might come with feeling like you’re also working and that you’re also starting a business and that you’re also working with clients is, is realizing that, that you don’t want your kids to have this warped sense of reality where they think everything is about them, that you don’t have other priorities and that you’re not your own person. And I think that there, they’re probably going to be much better off, you know, even if it might feel still some of that guilt at times, the fact that you’re not kind of at their Beck and call is much better for them in the long run. Yeah.

Shannon McGorry: I mean, that’s a big picture of how I want them to be parented like you guys right on time today. Cause I have to be at an, you know, onscreen or, or there for someone else to, and it doesn’t mean you’re not important, but the world does not revolve around you solely. And, you know, yes, I am doing that thing this afternoon when you’re home from school. But did you love that vacation? We were on this summer because that was made possible through the work that I do. Um, so yeah, those are good lessons.

Leah Gervais: Yeah, absolutely. All right. Well, any final, do you have any words of wisdom information and you’ve known me very well for quite some time as I enter into this, anything you’d want to share?

Shannon McGorry: I think you are, um, of all the people that I know, I think you are one of your amazing strengths and you have many of them is to follow your intuition. Um, I know you’ve really paid attention to that throughout your life. And so I would say more than anything in lean into both with this new little guy and lean into your intuition, give yourself grace for the moments that things don’t go as planned. Um, knowing that love, covers up a lot of mistakes and a lot of spit up in the middle of the night. Um, and you and he and Adam will be, uh, just great.

Leah Gervais: Thank you so much, Shannon. Made me very excited. It’s going to be great. Well, thank you so much for sharing this. Thank you for the work that you’ve done. I know you’ve been on the show before and I’ve always admired the work you’ve done. Um, especially with your divorce clients. You’ve just really well now with both, but I think I have a new appreciation for the work you do with, with mothers at this point in my life. And, um, I just really admire the way that you’ve helped people go through times in life when they, when their value system feels upside down and reminded them that it doesn’t have to be that way and that you can be true to yourself and you really can, uh, live the life that you want even in the most unlikely of circumstances. So thank you for sharing your experience. Congratulations on your success as an entrepreneur and all my best to your beautiful girls. Congratulations on your success as a mother.

Shannon McGorry: Thank you. We so appreciate it. And my heart is full of gratitude for you. Thank you so much.

Leah Gervais: My absolute pleasure, Shannon. I couldn’t, I wouldn’t be here without you either. So for those of you listening, if you want to hear more about Shannon, you can go to her website. Her website is linked in our show notes. She is, as you can see such a lovely friendly person, and I’m sure if you ever had any questions or wanted to learn more about her or her work, she would be, she would love to hear from you. Um, otherwise I hope you love this episode and I hope no matter where you are in your mother, her junior year, or even if it’s not a journey that you want to embark on, even if you’re just wanting to realign your own values, I hope you found some nuggets of wisdom. So Shannon and I are wishing you all the best on your biggest vision.

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