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Holly’s Website: colitiscopenutrition.com 

Holly’s Instagram: @HollsFowler

Leah Gervais: Visionaries! Welcome back to the Your Biggest Vision show. It is your host, Leah. I’m so excited to be here with you and another amazing interview from one of my incredible masterminders, Holly Fowler, Hi Holly. 

Holly Fowler: Hi. Thanks for having me. 

Leah Gervais: Thank you so much for being here. What a like serendipitous day for us to do this interview.

Holly Fowler: I know I can’t believe it. So you want to share what today is? Yes. Today is the first day of being a full-time entrepreneur.

Leah Gervais: God, congratulations. Well, I can’t wait to dig into your story and hear about all how you got there and hear all about what you do now. So, um, let’s go ahead and just dive into your story. Um, why don’t you first tell us a sentence or two about what it is that you do now, and then I’d love to kind of hear a little bit about your background and what you thought you were going to be when you grew up when you were a kid.

Holly Fowler: Sure. So I am a certified health coach. I primarily work with entrepreneurs to help them balance their health while they conquer the world and build their empire. So well, let’s see. Okay, I’ll start. What did I think I was going to be when I grew up, it changed so much, but I went to college thinking I was going to be a psychologist and then switched to business and I hated my business classes, which is so ironic. I think it was more the professor than anything, but I just hated it. And I was making like straight one hundreds in all my Spanish classes. 

So I went to the registrar’s office and just kind of asked what my options were. And they said, well, if you want to be a Spanish major or a double major, it’s required to study abroad. And they said that almost like a threat, they were like, you like, as if you don’t want to do it. And I’m like, oh, and then I just switched my major that day and walked out and called my mom. And I’m like, oh, by the way, I’m studying abroad next semester. So yeah, I guess growing up, I wanted to be a psychologist and then I thought I was in college. I was studying to be like this big shot international business person. And I had no idea what that even looked like. I didn’t know what I was doing.

Leah Gervais: So when did health come into the mix? When did your passion for health come in and how did the seeds get planted for you to become a health coach?

Holly Fowler: So in 2008, the summer after my freshman year of college, I had a sudden onset of ulcerative colitis. And I say sudden, because I literally woke up one day and had an upset stomach. And it spiraled from there and was quickly, quickly admitted to the hospital was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis, which is an autoimmune disease that affects the colon and the digestive system. So that was really traumatic. People now call that medical trauma. But back then, it was just, my whole world was flipped upside down overnight. 

They gave me the diagnosis, gave me pills to take and then sent me home. And I was like bawling in my hospital bed. I still get emotional thinking about it. I was uncontrollably sobbing in my bed when they gave me my discharge papers like I clearly wasn’t. Okay. And we had asked the doctor who actually I really adore this doctor and he was the best there was. 

So he knew what he was doing, but at the same time, he gave me these pills and said, if you take these pills, you can eat and do whatever you want. And you know, in 2021 years later, we now know that, I mean, for digestive disease, obviously what you eat and how you live your life is going to affect that for better or for worse. But in 2008, I was 19 and just had this huge medical trauma happened to me. I didn’t know what to do. My parents didn’t know what to do. And so I was like, okay, well, I’m going to take him at his word. And I took these pills religiously and went back to my college town and lived like a college student. 

I partied, I drank, I had nutella for dinner. I had trail mix. I had Cheez-Its and Triscuits as meals. Like I just lived the college student life and I was even studying abroad, um, my junior year. So it had been like a year and a half and was hospitalized again in Spain because I took them at their word. Like if I take my medicine, I can do whatever I want. 

And obviously partying in Spain as a college student. I’m like, it doesn’t matter how much medicine I took. Like that was not going to be good for my body. Um, and so like clockwork, I was hospitalized every six months. I could look at the calendar and think, okay, I’m, I’m getting pretty close. I’m probably going to be hospitalized soon. And after- I managed to graduate college on time, which is an absolute miracle considering I was in and out of the hospital.

Um, and it wasn’t until a couple of years after college that I was just so tired. I was tired of getting hospitalized every time they would give me more drugs, they would just add more or change them. And it just was, so I just knew something was broken, something wasn’t working. And so there wasn’t a lot of information out there. Instagram, I think was like two years old. So like there wasn’t a lot of information on social media. The forums were terrifying. They were basically saying like, you’re going to die. And, and then, so I just had to do my own research. So I just kept searching and searching and searching, looking for holistic doctors, looking for nutrition plans, looking for anyone on the internet who could tell me something different and I didn’t really find it. So I just tried different approaches with my diet. And I eventually just figured out that I felt so much better and actually came off of my medicine entirely for a couple of years, just on diet alone. 

Leah Gervais: That is amazing. Sorry, I didn’t mean to interrupt here. 

Holly Fowler: You’re fine. 

Leah Gervais: So you went from seemingly perfectly healthy, basically your entire life to being an adult and then being diagnosed with a chronic illness and not only being in a situation where you now had a chronic illness you had to live with, but one that you had to completely figure out how to manage on your own that no one was really giving you guidance to, is that right? Like you didn’t have this growing up.

Holly Fowler: Right? No, I had nothing and even my mom was a nurse. Yeah. Very skilled nurse. So even having her was a huge help, but she had never, she didn’t have a lot of auto-immune patients. She didn’t know how to help me more than my doctors did. Um, but it was nice on a different note to have her as an advocate for me to help me through this when I couldn’t find the words to ask the right questions or, um, how to help myself. So yeah, I was going through this blindly.

Leah Gervais: Right? So that, that kind of leads me to what I see as the next kind of phase of how you had breadcrumbs leading you to entrepreneurship, which is that not only did you have to learn to manage your own chronic illness, but you had to learn to be an advocate for yourself. I obviously know you very well at this point. I love you very much. And that’s something that I feel like you talk about a lot and that’s very important to you is that you have to learn how to stick up for yourself. You have to learn to ask deeper questions and you just can’t rely on doctors alone. Not that doctors are, you know, malicious or like out to get you, but you can’t rely on them alone or their diagnoses of you alone to manage your own health. So I’d love to hear, I have a few questions about that.

Um, one, I’d kind of love to hear how you have started, how you started working with clients from that standpoint, because I know that that’s kind of how you got into health coaching. And I also would love to hear any thoughts you have around how you, you know, you took a situation in your life that you were just dealt a bad hand. Like it just sucks that you were given a chronic illness, um, in college and you have never really played- I’ve never seen you play the victim with that card. You know, I’ve seen you have flare ups. I’ve seen you need to sit out for a while, but I’ve never seen you let it hold you back. 

I think that people listening to this, whether it’s the same diagnoses as you, whether it’s chronic illness or not, we all have things that we can feel victims about if we let ourselves. And I think one of the reasons you’re a very good entrepreneur is because I’m guessing you had to learn pretty early on that that doesn’t help you. So anyway, I know those are kind of two different questions, but I’d love to hear how you think about advocacy and how you do that with your clients and from a health coaching perspective, as well as did this kind of play at seeds for entrepreneurship, for you?

Holly Fowler: Yeah. So starting with advocacy. Absolutely. I mean, when you’re, you’re basically blindsided with a diagnosis or, or not something, you know, that comes up in your life, you need to learn how to speak up for yourself, ask the questions. Don’t let, like don’t let these questions go unanswered, like find these answers for yourself and stick up for yourself because no one is no one knows you better than you. And no one knows the pain or whatever else is happening or what you’re thinking better than you do or what you need to thrive either, whether it’s like in your business or in your health. 

So I learned the hard way because I had my mom for so long. I’m from South Carolina. And so going to school in South Carolina, I was able to drive the 45 minutes back to the hospital where she worked, where she knew all of the doctors and nurses.

And she was able to fight on my behalf for the best treatment and the best care. And then I moved to California, um, in my mid twenties and I didn’t know anybody. And so that was kind of my first foray, if you will, into advocacy, because I had to find my own doctors. I had to figure out which doctors had my best interest at heart. I had to do it all by myself. 

So that experience helps me with my clients because if they have a new diagnosis or maybe they don’t have a diagnosis, but they just need to put their health first, whether that is setting boundaries or, um, whatever it may be learning to speak up for yourself and advocating for yourself is the strongest tool that you could have when managing your health.

Leah Gervais: Yeah. And I think that, you know, as an entrepreneur and someone who has learned through firsthand experience, that if you don’t have your health, you don’t have your business. Which is why I love what you do so much. I think that that advocacy work extends beyond just like the medical team and medical workers. It also can be like, you have to advocate for yourself within your family. 

You have to advocate for yourself, with your friends, um, with your, within your business, within your clients. And it can feel sometimes like it’s easy to compare your health with others and think if so-and-so can, you know, if they that, cause that’s kind of how doctors treat you. They think if one person is okay with this diagnosis, you should be too. And so you can kind of play that game with yourself. And I think that the power in what you do is really putting meaning behind the words like your health comes first and that does look different for everyone.

Holly Fowler: Oh yeah, absolutely. And you made a good point even advocating for people that aren’t entrepreneurs that maybe work in a corporate environment. I come from eight years in a corporate environment and you absolutely have to stand up for yourself. Maybe you work in an environment where they have really demanding hours and your health can’t stand up to that, or it’s a really stressful or toxic work environment. 

You also have to advocate for yourself in those situations, or even just, you know, making the right choices for your health, whether it’s choosing to not go out to that lunch work lunch, because you know that there aren’t going to be any healthy options or, you know, there’s so many ways that you have to advocate for yourself every day in the workplace as well.

Leah Gervais: Yeah. Um, all right, let’s switch gears a little bit to your entrepreneurship journey. So you go through this kind of medical trauma that has the need to use your terms. You have to figure out how to advocate for yourself. You move across the country and you become a health coach. Um, when in your journey did you think, Hey, maybe I could actually make a career out of this and not only could I, but I want to?

Holly Fowler: So it started in about 2016 when people kept approaching me about the change that they saw in me, they would always ask questions. Like, how did you do it? What do you eat? What, what products work for you? What, what medication are you on? How does, like, how does that medication work for you? I just had a ton of questions. 

So I started a blog to house all of my answers to the same questions. And I tried really hard. I was trying, I had just quit my job at a startup in Silicon valley, and I really wanted to make it work. Like I really wanted to monetize the blog and I just had no idea what I was doing. I, and I think that’s where we met was in an engagement and Instagram engagement pod back in the day when those were a thing. Um, I tried everything and nothing really stuck.

Holly Fowler: So I eventually went back to corporate and got a corporate job and had been working in corporate ever since. Um, but I always had it in the back of my mind that I like, this is what I want to do. Like yes, marketing for tech companies makes me money, but I kept trying, I kept like tinkering with my business. 

I would make a PDF or I would make an outline of a course here or there. And I just couldn’t put it down. And it got to the point, we’ve talked about this before, but I just got so sick of myself. Um, and last year with the whole pandemic and I was in the flare up of my life. Um, most of my flare ups last about two to three weeks. This one had been, or by the end of it, it ended up being a year and a half.

Um, but I was in the middle of that. It was the pandemic. I was sick. There were fires. Like there was just everything going on. And so I just had this epiphany when my husband and I were driving up to a golf tournament for his work that I walked in and said, I need this, it’s time because I’m at this point where either I’m going to do it a hundred percent and I’m going to make this my job, or I’m just going to stop altogether because I can’t continue on like, just doing it in like pieces, but never making any money. 

Leah Gervais: Yeah. So you had a good 4 years of what I call the dabble. And that’s what I experienced too, of like the on again, off again. Do I do this? Do I not? Is this fun? Is it not? Is, am I making money? Am I not? You had all that time where you like, kind of had this ambition with nowhere to go in you and you kept thinking like, maybe I could turn this into something, but you didn’t know what direction to take it in. And so is that right? 

Holly Fowler: Yeah. 

Leah Gervais: Yeah. Four years. And so I know this story of you making that decision and it was less than a year ago, right?

Holly Fowler: Yeah. It was September, 2020. 

Leah Gervais: Yeah and now we’re sitting here and you work for yourself. 

Holly Fowler: Oh my gosh. 

Leah Gervais: You did it. 

Holly Fowler: I did it.

Leah Gervais: Hell yeah, you did it. All right. So let’s zoom into that a little bit more because I know that a lot of listeners to this podcast are either in your 2016 shoes where they have an idea or a passion, or they are maybe in, um, your 2020 shoes where they’re realizing, Hey, life is short. What am I going to do? Am I actually going to do this or not? Um, when you made that decision, were you scared?

Holly Fowler: No. No. Um, not really. And I was looking up the book that I was reading, the book that I was reading at the time. I always forget the title, but it was Gina Devee’s books called “The Audacity to Be Queen”.

Leah Gervais: We’ve had her on the show and she’s hilarious.

Holly Fowler: I know I listened to that episode. I loved it. Um, oh, it was amazing. And it just, I had such confidence at the time where I knew what I wanted and I knew what I needed to get it. And it was, you know, that was the biggest investment that I’ve ever made in myself or in my business at that time. Now I’m laughing cause I’m in the mastermind. Um, but, uh, that was a huge investment for me, but I knew so confidently exactly what I needed, um, that I signed up with you. And then I told my husband later, like, we’ll figure it out. I’ll make it happen.

Leah Gervais: So you like made that decision, reading that book, you did not feel fear and you signed up for scale, your side hustle like that day. 

Holly Fowler: Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. I just like, I mean, I just knew that that what I needed, because I knew that four years of dabbling, I was so sick and tired of just putting all this effort into things that I knew nothing about marketing for. And I just needed the support to get me to where I needed to be.

Leah Gervais: So what were those first few months, like, what was that initial experience where you went from dabbling to all in, what were the first few months of scalar side hustle? Like what surprised you, what did you wish you would have known four years ago?

Holly Fowler: I think just having the structure and, well, one having accountability was everything. Knowing that we had our weekly calls and that we had Facebook groups to support each other with, like, if I had questions, I had someone who was there to answer them, whether it was you or like a support coach or someone in my group, just having that support. And because I already had a website, I already had an Instagram, I had all the bare bones of it. I just didn’t know how to actually make money. And also the fear, what I realized in those first few months is how afraid. I was actually making money, even though I really wanted it. I was so afraid and couldn’t see value in what I was offering.

Leah Gervais: Yeah. Yeah. So do you feel like you can kind of look back at what happened to you in college and do you, do you have a sense of peace around it now because you almost feel like it happened to you so that you could heal what happened to you and now help other people heal their health too?

Holly Fowler: Oh, a hundred percent. I don’t have any bitterness over what happened. I can look back on it. I mean, I don’t necessarily look on it fondly, but I mean, I can look back on it and realize that of all the things that came from it. And I sometimes toy with the idea of like, I wonder what kind of person I would be if I didn’t have this diagnosis, because it was so earth shattering to me that it did change the course of my life and like probably in a better way. And I’m, I’m almost certain that I’m a better person for having had such struggle off and on for the last more than a decade now. 

I mean, there are always going to be days during a flare up when I’m just in so much pain that, you know, it can get dark and you’re just in agonizing pain. But like you said, I don’t, I try not to stay in the victim mode for very long. I give myself, um, and we’re getting into the weeds a little bit about this, but I give myself time to really just feel those feelings and to just be in pain and to just not enjoy that experience. But I don’t allow myself to stay there for long because that could get to be a really dark place if I stay there for long.

Leah Gervais: Sure, sure. So I somewhat relate to you. I mean, I don’t think I’ve gone through quite what you’d gone through, but you know, I have chronic back pain and um, some of the darkest moments of my life have been moments where you feel trapped in your own body, you know, and you feel like you kind of want to like zipper out of your own skin and take a break from feeling how you feel and you can’t, and it can feel suffocating. 

So I think what you do is incredible, especially for entrepreneurs, because I think that people who actually have health things, they need to work on almost have a superpower. If they work on it, you really do have to build resilience. You have to build like a, um, a tenacity about you where you’re not going to let things stand in your way, which is, which is a great trait.

So if you can bring that out in people, then, then they have that strength. So if you look back, I’m going to brag a little bit for you because I don’t, I think you’re a little more modest than you’re going to be. So let’s see. In September you signed up for Scale Your Side Hustle of 2020, we’re here in August, 2021. I have seen you sign your first and then several clients to follow. I’ve seen you launch new programs. I’ve seen you resign from your nine to five job. And, um, you know, when you joined Scale Your Side Hustle, you hadn’t done any of that. You hadn’t signed one client. 

So a huge congratulations to you. It’s been amazing to watch you. And it’s only at the beginning. What do you think like now, knowing what you know now kind of being on the breakthrough and on the other side and in a place that you probably dreamed about for those four years, what was the biggest mental thing holding you back that you couldn’t break through? Even if you didn’t know it all those four years or, or what’s been the hardest part over the past year, I guess is another way to ask.

Holly Fowler: Yeah. I knew that I had the potential and I knew that the idea was there, but I also knew that the struggle within myself was so strong and I couldn’t get out of it. And I didn’t know what the source of it was. And I just don’t necessarily know the absolute source, but it’s the fear, the fear of money and the fear of success. 

I think that’s rooted back to, I was always told that, um, the money was the root of all evil and that was really hard to wrap my mind around, like, okay, but making money is not a bad thing. Like making money allows me to help more people expand my business, um, you know, inspire others to do the same, to build their own businesses. There’s just so much abundance that comes with that money and that, you know, being rich doesn’t mean that you are a bad person.

Holly Fowler: So I had a lot to unpack there. And also I lost my train of thought, but also valuing myself more and recognizing that I do have something to bring to the table and that it’s worth something. And so learning to not devalue myself, I think those are all big things that I learned and scale your side hustle. And I’m still, it’s not something that I just have magically cured of because of Scale Your Side Hustle, as you know, um, I’m still working through that in the mastermind, still working through that now. But I think I’ve gotten to such a better place of recognizing my value and recognizing that so much abundance and good can come from building a successful business.

Leah Gervais: Yeah, that’s amazing. And I think that one of the things you’ve done really well and why you have seen the results that you have quickly is because from the moment you joined scale your side hustle, and then really I’ve seen you do this in the mastermind. You’ve been equally committed to doing mindset work and breaking through things that weren’t helping you and unpacking why these things were in your consciousness to begin with, but you don’t, um, wait for them to be resolved before you take action.

 I think that that is really the magical combination is when you are working on yourself and you are trying to think about how you think and how you act and, and where this all comes from and beliefs, but you’re not letting it prevent you from moving forward. And I think that you have made so much progress because you’ve moved forward, even though you’re like, this is scary and uncomfortable. And I wish I could figure out why I felt this way about it, but I’m going to do it anyway.

Holly Fowler: Yeah. That’s like the majority of my business. I’m terrified and I’m doing this anyway. The fear never ends ever, but, don’t you feel one better able to handle it now? And two, you just don’t notice it as much anymore.

Oh, a hundred percent. I mean, it’s like definitely I, I do feel it, but it’s not crippling and it’s not, it doesn’t like you said, it doesn’t stop me from continuing things and building new programs and offerings. I just learn to work around it and learn to work with it. 

Leah Gervais: Right. So Holly, you have undergone so many health things in your life and you have become so successful almost in spite of them. I know there were some, uh, weeks, even months there where you were, you know, really pushing yourself, working at your nine to five job, it got busy. Um, and then you were cranking your own business. That is a lot for anyone to handle, let alone someone who has chronic illness. 

I know you also have seen so many entrepreneurial success stories being in the mastermind and everything like that. So tell me a little bit about why the work that you do with entrepreneurs is so important for their business and how having a health coach like you in the corner can actually really, you know, unlock their business level even more so than like a strategy or something like that.

Holly Fowler: I think that entrepreneurs who put health first will, I mean, they can succeed without it, but not long-term. So it’s not sustainable. They could have sprints like short seasons where, you know, they have sleepless nights or they get unhealthy takeout food every day, you know, but not long-term. So in the same token as chronic illness, like if you want to have mental clarity or be able to really crank out creative ideas and be at like, have your sharpest mind possible, you can’t have brain fog, which means, and brain fog is caused by a number of things, but, you know, really managing your diet and managing your stress can help you be way more creative and have more mental clarity to go faster and build more products and programs. It can, it just makes you such a better entrepreneur longterm by taking care of your diet, managing your stress, hopefully preventatively.

But if you can’t just having tools in place for managing your stress when it pops up, um, having the right workout programs and taking care of your body, moving your body every day, rather than sitting at your desk in front of your computer for 12, 14, 16 hour days being sedentary. 

There are just so many small micro changes that entrepreneurs can change in their life that can make a huge difference. I mean, the reason I switched from focusing entirely on chronic illness is because as I built my own business, I realized like, yes, I have a chronic illness. So I have to take care of my health, but so does everyone else. Um, mine is just more apparent. So to start building my business. I realized really early on that I can’t do late nights, early mornings, which made it really hard for me, but like my body suffered.

If I even went to bed an hour later than I normally do, I would be anxious the entire day and would have zero productive hours. Just realizing that I can’t have that, you know, I think we glorified late nights way too much in the entrepreneurial world and really early mornings, like if your body can’t handle it, then your body can’t handle it. It’s okay to be a successful entrepreneur with eight hours of sleep. It’s totally possible. So I just think there, and I can get on a huge tangent, but I just think that there’s just so many long-term benefits to taking care of your health, taking care of your mindset and your body to have long-term success, because that’s going to affect your bottom line so easily.

Leah Gervais: Yeah. I think what you do is so important because as someone who mentors so many entrepreneurs, one of the biggest, um, like mindset disconnects, I see that people go through is they, they think that they are high performers. And I was kind of like this when I was in a nine to five job, I prided myself on being really productive. I, oh, I always managed to work out every day. I had my nine to five job. I managed to be really alert for that. I, you know, had a social life. 

Part of it was just like being in my twenties in New York and kind of trying to live, play that part. And I, and I did it successfully. And so I thought that that would translate really smoothly over to entrepreneurship. And in some ways it helps me because I think if you have a productive nature, that can be beneficial, but what a lot of people don’t understand and why a lot of entrepreneurs don’t make it, this is why I think the mastermind is such a powerful thing because I focus on this a lot is that you could have been employee the year at your nine to five job.

You could have been very productive and gotten a lot done, but you were sort of churning out work people were giving to you or work that the company was giving to you. It is an entirely different way of thinking, way of showing up, way of being when you are not churning things out, but you have to think of what needs to be done. And you know, when you’re in a nine to five job, a lot of the times your focus is on sustaining your job, getting your job done, keeping things going. Um, but when you’re an entrepreneur, your focus has to be about forward movement. What’s getting new going forward. 

What’s getting you in momentum, where is what’s going to get you further? And that can not come with, you know, the third cup of coffee and six hours of sleep and half an hour on the treadmill. Like those things might work to get you through a day that you need to execute during, but when you need to be really giving yourself creative space and energy and big picture thinking, and like out of the box, thinking you have to be rested, you have to have your, your A- game on. And it really does take a whole different level of maintenance. Then I think what, like you said, the glorified kind of corporate world has us think is the right way to go.

Holly Fowler: Yeah. I mean, I like to think of it as training for a sport. So if you were an athlete, you are going to train and eat specifically for that one, specifically for that sport. And you’re also going to have a diet that is going to help you be as good of a performer as possible for that sport, like, yes, you can, you know, enjoy your food and enjoy your life. But ultimately like you want to perform at your, at the peak. So I think of entrepreneurship the same way. Like you’re not going to just get by on like donuts and four cups of coffee and expect to be able to perform the way that you want your business to perform. So you have to think of it specifically for like what you want, think of how you want to succeed and then live your life and work your diet accordingly.

Leah Gervais: Yeah, I totally agree. Awesome. Well, thank you for sharing your story, Holly. I know that you went through a lot and I appreciate you being so vulnerable and a huge congratulations on your entrepreneurial success. Um, I obviously believe in what you do so much. Um, I have a few lightning round questions for you. Are you ready? 

Holly Fowler: Okay. 

Leah Gervais: What is your go-to when you have a bad day, we all have them.

Holly Fowler: I put on one of my favorite Pandora playlists, and then I get outside and go for a walk. 

Leah Gervais: Yes, you are a big outdoor like mental health person. I love that. Um, what is your proudest business moment so far?

Holly Fowler: Quitting my nine to five job.

Leah Gervais: I love that. Uh, do you have a building book podcast resource that has really helped you?

Holly Fowler: Oh, so many, um, obviously this past podcast. Thank you. Um, for me, there are several coaching books that I like. I like the conscious coach, um, and the, I like Jenna Kutcher’s podcast, the Gold Digger.

Leah Gervais: That’s a good, uh, and where can people find out more about you? 

Holly Fowler: You can find me on my website at colitiscopenutrition.com or I’m most active on Instagram @HollsFowler.

Leah Gervais: Wonderful. And we will have these all in the show notes. Holly, thank you so much for sharing this with us and congratulations again. I’m so excited for you. 

Holly Fowler: Thank you so much. I’m so excited. 

Leah Gervais: All right, visionaries, we’ll talk to you soon. Go say hi to Holly. She is like the most friendly, nice person. And I hope you guys love this episode. Here is to your biggest vision!

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